Falling Icicle
Adventurer
so far all this objection seems to be constrained to a handful of posters on 1 thread on 1 website who didnt seem to keen on 5e anyway.
Are you talking about me? For the record, I like 5e. If I had already given up on it, I wouldn't be wasting my time talking about it. I don't spend alot of time on things that I'm not "keen on." On the contrary, it's because I'm interested in 5e and hopeful about it that I'm providing feedback on it. That is, after all, the entire purpose of the playtest, to try things out and report on what we like and don't like, and why.
No matter how you handle save or suck spells someone is gonna be unhappy with it. This particular version seems to have the LEAST amount of complaints in 2 editions so far.
That's a copout. That is like saying "well, no matter what I do to this pot of soup, somebody isn't going to like the way it tastes, so why even bother trying to make good soup?" I don't think many restaurants would be in business if they had that attitude.
Lets stick with it and give it a chance.
No. Let's try to find something better.