Will AI replace Dungeon Masters?

[Not a Decepticon]

AI doesn't HELP you do anything, it generates ready, garbage, thing. The idea it is "helping" is currently being pushyed through VERY ableist lenses by AI bros, trying to pass it as a tool for the disabled people, effectively treating every disabled person ans unable to do anything on their own. There are numerous disabled people who spoke how VILE this rhetorics really is. So quite frankly, screw that "help".

 

[Reynard]

AI doesn't HELP you do anything, it generates ready, garbage, thing. The idea it is "helping" is currently being pushyed through VERY ableist lenses by AI bros, trying to pass it as a tool for the disabled people, effectively treating every disabled person ans unable to do anything on their own. There are numerous disabled people who spoke how VILE this rhetorics really is. So quite frankly, screw that "help".

This is a very weird take. i follow AI a lot and have NEVER heard a single word about it being leveraged to help disabled people. AI is a tool, like any other tool. And like any tool, you have to be circumspect about what it can and can't do, and what it can and can't "help" with.

Pretending that AI is of no use at all because you are mad doesn't actually solve anything, and makes you look like you want to smash some looms. Where did your sheets come from, out of curiosity?

 

[Not a Decepticon]

This is a very weird take. i follow AI a lot and have NEVER heard a single word about it being leveraged to help disabled people.

This was literally how last year NaNoWriMo tried to justify using AI, by claiming "poor disabled people" are just unable to write without it and everyone who dislikes AI is ableist. There was a HUGE backlash from disabled writers who were not happy being infantilized to sell a naughty word toy that writes for you and does it badly.

 

[Reynard]

This was literally how last year NaNoWriMo tried to justify using AI, by claiming "poor disabled people" are just unable to write without it and everyone who dislikes AI is ableist. There was a HUGE backlash from disabled writers who were not happy being infantilized to sell a naughty word toy that writes for you and does it badly.

That is an extremely narrow (and weird) example.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

That is an extremely narrow (and weird) example.

What is weird or narrow about official group behind a world-wide phenomeon using disgusting ableist rhetorics to push AI after accepting AI company as one of their sponsors, effectively alienating their entire fanbase by telling them they'll be replaced and that some of them are too stupid to write without a toy doing it for them? Is it that it directly contradicts your claim and you cannot easily rebutte it with a snarky quip? Ruining your "cool debate bro" fantasy?

 

[Reynard]

What is weird or narrow about official group behind a world-wide phenomeon using disgusting ableist rhetorics to push AI after accepting AI company as one of their sponsors, effectively alienating their entire fanbase by telling them they'll be replaced and that some of them are too stupid to write without a toy doing it for them? Is it that it directly contradicts your claim and you cannot easily rebutte it with a snarky quip? Ruining your "cool debate bro" fantasy?

I'm not sure why you are attacking me.

Of all the companies looking to leverage AI, where do you think NaNoWriMo rates?

I think one company did something that made you angry, and so you are going to beat that drum as hard as possible anytime the subject comes up. Fine. Good, even. You should if you feel strongly about it.

But you are making a metric tonne of assumptions about what I think, feel, believe and do based on YOUR biases. I can't help you with that.

What is true is that AI, including LLMs and reasoning models, is here to stay and will be part of business, life, art, culture, leisure, finance, and governance from here on out. That's just something that is true.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Mod Note:

Y’all, let’s take a few steps back from incendiary rhetoric back to civil discourse.

 

[Umbran]

Pretending that AI is of no use at all because you are mad doesn't actually solve anything, and makes you look like you want to smash some looms. Where did your sheets come from, out of curiosity?

Mod Note:
If you like red text, by all means, make the discussion personal.

Or, you know, don't, and make all our days that little bit simpler.

 

[Umbran]

Source

Mod Note:
So, this post is an attempt to get folks to go to your AI GM service?

If you want to make posts like that, you'll have to speak with Morrus about getting a Publisher's account. Otherwise, such posts must go in the Promotions sub-forum. I'll move this there.

 

[Cergorach]

This was literally how last year NaNoWriMo tried to justify using AI, by claiming "poor disabled people" are just unable to write without it and everyone who dislikes AI is ableist. There was a HUGE backlash from disabled writers who were not happy being infantilized to sell a naughty word toy that writes for you and does it badly.

That is a misquote you make there: "poor disabled people", there is no such line in the original source. Something similar is mentioned in certain reddits by people also misquoting the original article, but you go a even a step further and remove the word 'or' from the line someone else thought up... They literally never used the words poor or disabled.

I'm not going to quote anything. NaNoWriMo pretty much indicates that it's neutral in the AI/LLM usage. You want to use it, fine. You don't want to use it, also fine. They also not once use the term LLM, but the generic AI, that can be more then just LLM. But let's assume they meant LLM, which is easy to assume as they are a non-profit for writers.

What they're saying isn't untrue. They talk about financial means, not being able to hire people for all phases of writing. I don't know if skimping on a human editor is a good idea, but some people just don't have that option. That doesn't mean you're poor, that just means you don't have money to hire someone to edit your novel. The same goes for marketing texts, etc. And that doesn't just go for people with less money, but also for people that just don't have enough money to do what they want. One of the reasons why I use AI/LLM is because I don't want to hire a writer to write hundreds of room descriptions, don't want to hire a voice actor to voice those hundreds of room descriptions, nor do I want to hire an illustrator to make illustrations of those hundreds of rooms. I could do that myself, but I don't find it that interesting work, it would take many years of free time, and I don't want to do that either. Time = money. I'm concentrating on making maps, special encounters, over arching story arc, etc. I would even go so far as to say that AI/LLM is doing it better then I could, and what I've read/heard/seen, better then some professionals...

I'm not an expert on mental capacity, but what I've seen/experienced, there are many levels. The workshop next to where i live is for folks that can't work in a normal workshop, but can work in a workshop with special assistance. Some of their roommates in the facility a few streets over, cannot participate in those specific activities. Different people, different ranges of mental capacity, that is even true in what we consider the 'normal' range. So could people which society categorizes as 'disabled' use and benefit from writing with a LLM? Sure, just like anyone else. It doesn't matter what you think is the quality that is produced, it's about what the person doing the writing thinks. Will it 'help' everyone? Hell no! Just like a hammer helps in building a closet, some people shouldn't be building a closet. It's a tool, not everyone wants or can use all tools, and even if they can, are able to get good results from using tools. Some people shouldn't be allowed to drive, the world is a much safer place without me behind the wheel...

Source of your pain: https://web.archive.org/web/2024090...riMo-s-position-on-Artificial-Intelligence-AI