Will AI replace Dungeon Masters?

[Not a Decepticon]

That is a misquote you make there: "poor disabled people", there is no such line in the original source. Something similar is mentioned in certain reddits by people also misquoting the original article, but you go a even a step further and remove the word 'or' from the line someone else thought up... They literally never used the words poor or disabled.

I'm not going to quote anything. NaNoWriMo pretty much indicates that it's neutral in the AI/LLM usage. You want to use it, fine. You don't want to use it, also fine. They also not once use the term LLM, but the generic AI, that can be more then just LLM. But let's assume they meant LLM, which is easy to assume as they are a non-profit for writers.

What they're saying isn't untrue. They talk about financial means, not being able to hire people for all phases of writing. I don't know if skimping on a human editor is a good idea, but some people just don't have that option. That doesn't mean you're poor, that just means you don't have money to hire someone to edit your novel. The same goes for marketing texts, etc. And that doesn't just go for people with less money, but also for people that just don't have enough money to do what they want. One of the reasons why I use AI/LLM is because I don't want to hire a writer to write hundreds of room descriptions, don't want to hire a voice actor to voice those hundreds of room descriptions, nor do I want to hire an illustrator to make illustrations of those hundreds of rooms. I could do that myself, but I don't find it that interesting work, it would take many years of free time, and I don't want to do that either. Time = money. I'm concentrating on making maps, special encounters, over arching story arc, etc. I would even go so far as to say that AI/LLM is doing it better then I could, and what I've read/heard/seen, better then some professionals...

I'm not an expert on mental capacity, but what I've seen/experienced, there are many levels. The workshop next to where i live is for folks that can't work in a normal workshop, but can work in a workshop with special assistance. Some of their roommates in the facility a few streets over, cannot participate in those specific activities. Different people, different ranges of mental capacity, that is even true in what we consider the 'normal' range. So could people which society categorizes as 'disabled' use and benefit from writing with a LLM? Sure, just like anyone else. It doesn't matter what you think is the quality that is produced, it's about what the person doing the writing thinks. Will it 'help' everyone? Hell no! Just like a hammer helps in building a closet, some people shouldn't be building a closet. It's a tool, not everyone wants or can use all tools, and even if they can, are able to get good results from using tools. Some people shouldn't be allowed to drive, the world is a much safer place without me behind the wheel...

Source of your pain: What is NaNoWriMo's position on Artificial Intelligence (AI)?

And I find that, especially in the context of NaNoWriMo being sponsored by a company that is going big on AI, to be a betrayal of the entire writing community. And while the words "poor disabled people" weren't exact words used, they do describe the way many have read the message of this post and NaNo's attitude towards disabled writers. Including many disabled writers, who were very vocal about how insulting they found NaNo's statement.

 

[Cergorach]

And I find that, especially in the context of NaNoWriMo being sponsored by a company that is going big on AI, to be a betrayal of the entire writing community. And while the words "poor disabled people" weren't exact words used, they do describe the way many have read the message of this post and NaNo's attitude towards disabled writers. Including many disabled writers, who were very vocal about how insulting they found NaNo's statement.

Say anything, you piss off people. Say nothing, you piss off people. Not the same, not for the same reason, but these days there will always be people that will be pissed off for whatever your stance is or lack thereof.

As for sponsors, how do you think non-profits work? How do the people that work for non-profits get paid? These are essentially companies who's goal is not to make a profit, that doesn't mean that people don't get paid well, especially at/near the top. These are not 'good' companies, they are companies with a different purpose then profit for the company.

As for the poor & disabled... That's your interpretation, I would even say, it's not yours, you're just repeating what someone else interpreted from that statement on Reddit. Mine is: We don't care, you use AI, fine. If not, also fine. Just don't bother each other about the use or lack of use. If you want to use it, these are the possible benefits. Just like a car can 'help' some disabled get some more mobility, it would not be appropriate/useful for everyone.

As for AI replacing DMs, they will for some, for many others they never will. It's all based on choices, and personal preference. Some of it is different from your personal preference...

 

[Not a Decepticon]

4e has a lot of details into this stuff in books like Manual of the Planes, Player's Option: Heroes of the Feywild, and Demonomicon.

Say anything, you piss off people. Say nothing, you piss off people. Not the same, not for the same reason, but these days there will always be people that will be pissed off for whatever your stance is or lack thereof.

That is a deflective stance to wave off responsibility for one's actions and its consequences.

As for sponsors, how do you think non-profits work?

Do you not think a non-profit has a moral obligation to weed-out sponsors and do not take sponsorship from those who may have vexed interest in undermining or corrupting the non-profit's mission? Would you be ok with a non-profit to rehabilitate addicts accepting sponsorship from alcohol or tabacco companies? Would you be ok with organziation running women's shelters accepting sponsorship from far-right religious foundamentalists that believe wife is property of a husband and child is property of the father? Would you be ok with these sponsorships if the sponsors pressured the non-profit to promote their product or ideology?

That's your interpretation, I would even say, it's not yours, you're just repeating what someone else interpreted from that statement on Reddit.

So when someone disagrees with you, you just assume they didn't do the research and are too stupid to form their own opinion? Classy.

 

[Cergorach]

@Not a Decepticon non-profits, just like regular businesses do their own thing. It's not mine, it's theirs. As long as they do what they want. Heck, depending on how their rules are initially setup, they could make it a non-profit for rich people driving super cars, nothing we can do about it. Just like with any other business, you dislike it enough, don't use it. There's nothing stopping you from making your own non-profit that's completely locked into it's rules, and you can make those rules whatever you want.

Just like ENworld is not yours or mine, Morrus can do whatever he wants with it. Who are you to say: "Thou shalt not do xyz!", that's a quick way to get you banned. So why the heck would it be all right for you to say the same to some random non-profit?

But this is getting way offtopic from you rabid dislike of AI/LLMs and trying to rope in random non-profits into the discussion.

And I don't assume that people are stupid when they disagree with me...

 

[Marandahir]

That is a deflective stance to wave off responsibility for one's actions and its consequences.

Do you not think a non-profit has a moral obligation to weed-out sponsors and do not take sponsorship from those who may have vexed interest in undermining or corrupting the non-profit's mission? Would you be ok with a non-profit to rehabilitate addicts accepting sponsorship from alcohol or tabacco companies? Would you be ok with organziation running women's shelters accepting sponsorship from far-right religious foundamentalists that believe wife is property of a husband and child is property of the father? Would you be ok with these sponsorships if the sponsors pressured the non-profit to promote their product or ideology?

So when someone disagrees with you, you just assume they didn't do the research and are too stupid to form their own opinion? Classy.

Confused why you quoted me?

 

[Umbran]

Mod Note:
Folks, this is a thread that is, effectively, about someone's product/service.

It is most assuredly not a thread about NaNoWriMo, or any other non-profit.

If you cannot keep on topic, you will be removed from this discussion.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

Confused why you quoted me?

Sorry, I didn't notice when replying that for some reason a WIP of reply in a different thread got added to the top of my post. Didn't knew it can happen, my bad.

 

[Marandahir]

Sorry, I didn't notice when replying that for some reason a WIP of reply in a different thread got added to the top of my post. Didn't knew it can happen, my bad.

No worries, just wanted to know in case you intended to respond to my comment too.