Will the WOTC Gametable return or is it dead forever?

[Zulithe]

I was very happy to log onto the D&D site today and see the link to these screenshots. Though the Gametable doesn't look like it has progressed a whole lot since the last batch of screenshots, I can at least sigh in relief knowing that WotC hasn't abandoned it and is still actively working to complete it.

Thanks WotC... and please keep us updated.

 

[CharlesRyan]

Yeah. That's wierd. Like a news item from the same day last year got automatically posted. Guessing it was a mistake.

Yeah, but the editorial calendar article is also dated 2008, and it's clearly current (or at least not a 2008 article). So I don't know how to interpret the 2008 date on the WotC side.

The boingboing page, however, is clearly 2008, not just from the date, but also because of the reference to the upcoming DDXP in Washington DC.

So is this some indication that the Game Table is still a live project? Answer hazy, try again later.

 

[CharlesRyan]

Do I trust that they'll end up getting th other stuff out there? Sure, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but I wouldn't give them money for it until I see it. IE if they raise the price because they're going to "have the GT up and running real soon!" they wouldn't see me pay that raised price until it actually WAS up and running.

Bingo. This is exactly my point. Not that you have to be happy with WotC's performance, or that you should blindly hand them your money. Just that refusing to extend the benefit of the doubt is an extreme reaction, and that the standards some people are setting are too high for WotC, or anyone who produces software, to realistically be expected to ever meet.

 

[avin]

Outdated graphics and women are just ugly on that engine.

 

[Xyxox]

Bingo. This is exactly my point. Not that you have to be happy with WotC's performance, or that you should blindly hand them your money. Just that refusing to extend the benefit of the doubt is an extreme reaction, and that the standards some people are setting are too high for WotC, or anyone who produces software, to realistically be expected to ever meet.

Refusal to give WotC the benefit of the doubt based upon past performance is not an extreme. It's in fact, a highly conservative position because you ahve based it upon the performance already demonstrated in the area.

 

[renau1g]

If 'dildo' can briefly show up as a word of the day on Hasbro's official Scrabble site, then a year old link can easily slip past any review and show up as new news on WotC.

Really? Awesome! Well, if you read through any published work, you're likely to find something out of place, especially in the electronic arena.

 

[CharlesRyan]

Refusal to give WotC the benefit of the doubt based upon past performance is not an extreme. It's in fact, a highly conservative position because you ahve based it upon the performance already demonstrated in the area.

Absolutely fair enough.

But to basically state that nothing they can currently do, or are likely to be able to do within a few years, will allow the benefit of doubt is, I think, extreme.

It seems to me that that's what's being said here.

 

[Xyxox]

Absolutely fair enough.

But to basically state that nothing they can currently do, or are likely to be able to do within a few years, will allow the benefit of doubt is, I think, extreme.

It seems to me that that's what's being said here.

As I stated in my original response to the question of giving them the benefit of the doubt, when they produce the game table, I'll begin giving them the benefit of the doubt again.

 

[Dire Bare]

I was very happy to log onto the D&D site today and see the link to these screenshots. Though the Gametable doesn't look like it has progressed a whole lot since the last batch of screenshots, I can at least sigh in relief knowing that WotC hasn't abandoned it and is still actively working to complete it.

Thanks WotC... and please keep us updated.

Outdated graphics and women are just ugly on that engine.

Those ARE the "last" bunch of screenshots from a year ago. These are NOT new screenshots. This news item from WotC's site is an error and not truly 2009 news.

And, yes, the characters shown in the visualizer screens are still ugly. I really hope they fix that when the Visualizer and Gametable finally go live.

Despite the faux news item, I'm ignoring the naysayers and remain confident that WotC will deliver the Gametable at some point late this year or early next. We'll see.

 

[Scribble]

Certainly. It is pretty much a known fact. And that is what makes it troubling that WotC management and marketing went ahead with the advertising of the features as being available at the release of 4e. They could have saved themselves a lot of these headaches by initialy labeling these products as "coming soon" or "in the near future" or even not advertise them at all until they were ready to beta test them. Instead, they used these tools to help sell people on 4e. For some of us, that is the reason we bought in. It would be like Sony selling me an HDTV only I would have to wait seven months to get the HD part. Sure, I could still watch TV over that time but I didn't get what I paid for.

See I think part of the issue is we don't know why the delay happened in the first place.

I mean could it have been as simple as everything WAS set to go, on course, ready for roll out day 1... and then Suddenly someone realized that there was some code somewhere that did something bad? Like accidently made getting access to easy, or gave out people's credit card numbers to anyone? Or just a bug that crashed the whole thing?

(I remember the compendium was actually up the night before 4e's release then it dissapeared for a while...)

Then once they tracked down the bug they realized it was something that needed a HUGE rewrite to fix?

A guy who lives next door to me works for a game company making sports games for the xbox... he said they have to send their "final" version to Microsoft to be approved. They send it, all the while working on the game still looking for inevitable bugs. If Microsoft approves the game, they go ahead and release, despite the various bugs they've found. They just release a "patch" sometime down the line.

Today, nothing about 4E impresses me. I meet people all the time who dislike 4E. Some never tried it, some did and didn't like it. However you cut it, there's a heck of a lot of D&D players out there who don't like 4E. If I had to guess, it's probably in the 35-40% range. That's a lot.

I'm sticking with 3.5 but even then I anticipate my enjoyment of D&D diminishing as the already small group of D&D players shrinks as they slowly convert to 4E or quit altogether. I'll likely be in the latter camp. Which is a shame since I've been gaming for 20+ years but with the way the game is going I'm almost ready to move on.

If you're meeting these people all the time that dislike 4e, why are you having trouble finding people who want to play soemthing other then 4e?

Those people must really suck.