Willingly Be Sneak Attacked

[Hypersmurf]

Well doesnt a cure spell deal positive energy damage? Positive energy heals living creatures and harms undead creatures or am I missing something?

See the Disrupt Undead spell - positive energy that doesn't heal living creatures.

A Gravestriked Inflict Light Wounds against an undead creature doesn't satisfy the requirements for a weaponlike spell, and thus cannot be used in a sneak attack.

A weaponlike spell has an attack roll, and deals damage.

When used against an undead creature, Inflict Light Wounds has an attack roll, and does not deal damage, so it it not weaponlike in this case. Against a dwarf, say, it deals damage, and thus can be used to sneak attack.

-Hyp.

 

[The Grackle]

See the Disrupt Undead spell - positive energy that doesn't heal living creatures.

A Gravestriked Inflict Light Wounds against an undead creature doesn't satisfy the requirements for a weaponlike spell, and thus cannot be used in a sneak attack.

A weaponlike spell has an attack roll, and deals damage.

When used against an undead creature, Inflict Light Wounds has an attack roll, and does not deal damage, so it it not weaponlike in this case. Against a dwarf, say, it deals damage, and thus can be used to sneak attack.

-Hyp.

wait, does that mean that a spell that does cold damage is not a weapon-like spell for a frost barbarian?

 

[Hypersmurf]

wait, does that mean that a spell that does cold damage is not a weapon-like spell for a frost barbarian?

I'd need to read the description of the class feature, but I suspect it probably still is. The spell deals damage, and the barbarian doesn't take that damage.

As opposed to Inflict Light Wounds. It doesn't deal damage that affects the undead oddly; rather, if the target is undead, the spell itself has different rules.

-Hyp.

 

[Bauglir]

The thing about the cure spells surely is that it's the spell doing the 'damage', not the touch attack?

The touch attack deals no damage, and simply determines if the spell has been successfully delivered. Critical hits (and by extension, sneak attacks) would therefore be irrelevant, no?

 

[Hypersmurf]

The touch attack deals no damage, and simply determines if the spell has been successfully delivered. Critical hits (and by extension, sneak attacks) would therefore be irrelevant, no?

A weaponlike touch spell delivered by a touch attack has a 20/x2 threat range, and deals double damage on a critical hit, and deals sneak attack damage of the same type as the spell.

If a weaponlike touch spell is delivered by an unarmed strike, however, only the unarmed strike is doubled on a critical hit (using the threat range of the unarmed strike, not the spell), and sneak attack damage is of the same type as the unarmed strike.

-Hyp.

 

[MerakSpielman]

I would allow this as a DM, but if I were playing the barbarian in question, and one of his allies hit him with a weapon, and he was raging, I'd probably assume that he'd assume that this person was an enemy, and attack them on his next action.

 

[Bauglir]

Should I be checking for critical hits every time the cleric heals someone then?

 

[Rkhet]

Knock him out first. CDG him with CxW.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Should I be checking for critical hits every time the cleric heals someone then?

You can only deal a critical hit with a weaponlike spell.

-Hyp.

 

[Rkhet]

Well, CxW spells are melee touch-attacks against unwilling targets. That makes them weaponlike.