Winged Horde Flanking Question

[Baumi]

Someone that was hit by Winged Horde is unable to take Opportunity Actions. Flanking needs you to be able to make Opportunity Actions, but do you still help others to gain Flanking?

 

[DracoSuave]

Someone that was hit by Winged Horde is unable to take Opportunity Actions. Flanking needs you to be able to make Opportunity Actions, but do you still help others to gain Flanking?

Must Be Able to Attack: ...If you’re affected by an effect that prevents you from taking opportunity actions, you don’t flank.



Seems pretty clear to me. Flanking explicitly says that if something is affected by an effect that prevents OAs, that something cannot flank.

Winged Horde does so explicitly. Therefore, it also denies flanking.

 

[firesnakearies]

but do you still help others to gain Flanking?

No. Flanking is something that requires both allies to be doing it in order for either of them to benefit. If one person can't flank, neither can the other.

 

[Droogie128]

This is why Winged Horde is quite possibly the best controller at-will in game. Even after the nerf. I love it

 

[Aulirophile]

Especially since 89 out of 600ish skirmishers in-game do extra damage with CA. That is a lot of prevented damage.

 

[Baumi]

Thanks for the quick answers!

 

[lukelightning]

No. Flanking is something that requires both allies to be doing it in order for either of them to benefit. If one person can't flank, neither can the other.

Is that true? I thought that if you are dazed, for example, and your friend is on the other side of your target, you gain the benefit of flanking if you attack but your friend doesn't.

 

[Obryn]

Is that true? I thought that if you are dazed, for example, and your friend is on the other side of your target, you gain the benefit of flanking if you attack but your friend doesn't.

Negative. You don't count for flanking purposes.

-O

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

Negative. You don't count for flanking purposes.

-O

It isn't really quite that clear. "If you're affected by an effect that prevents you from taking opportunity actions, you don't flank", but it only talks about your ally needing to be able to attack. Its not clear that the requirement you need to be able to make OAs applies to BOTH of you. Note that the other conditions specify "you and your ally" but the OA requirement only talks about you.

I think the intent is as you say, and the illustration on page 285 just indicates that specific pairs of combatants do or don't flank, but there is some room for argument on this point.

 

[Aulirophile]

It isn't really quite that clear. "If you're affected by an effect that prevents you from taking opportunity actions, you don't flank", but it only talks about your ally needing to be able to attack. Its not clear that the requirement you need to be able to make OAs applies to BOTH of you. Note that the other conditions specify "you and your ally" but the OA requirement only talks about you.

I think the intent is as you say, and the illustration on page 285 just indicates that specific pairs of combatants do or don't flank, but there is some room for argument on this point.

Opposite Sides: To flank an enemy, you and an ally must be adjacent to the enemy and on opposite sides or corners of the enemy’s space.

The rules text actually does specify precisely that, in exactly those words.