Wish or Miracle and gaining a feat

[javcs]

Would it be reasonable and/or balanced to allow Wish or Miracle to grant a single subject one feat, assuming all pre-reqs for the feat are met?

If not, what sort of twisting of the request would you put on it?

I'd appreciate hearing your reasoning behind your answers.

Thanks, all.

 

[frankthedm]

We just has something on this.

I'd say a wish would let one pick up a feat with a drawback. Or a Feat and a Flaw [dragon magazine has a lot of these]

Like

A wish to recieve Combat Reflexes might give you Veteran's Reflexes, the ability to take all AoOs presented to you, but you always have to take them, even on friends and family.

Wishing for power attack gets you All Power Attack, all the time, every time.

 

[Infiniti2000]

A wish to recieve Combat Reflexes might give you Veteran's Reflexes, the ability to take all AoOs presented to you, but you always have to take them, even on friends and family.

Not much of a drawback: "An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you." That means that your allies will never provoke one.

To the OP, this has been a hotly debated topic in the past. A majority of people will allow at least some feats, with other (top-tier) feats either being inaccessible or with a cost like Frank suggests.

 

[Falling Icicle]

Gaining a feat is not one of the listed functions of Wish, so attempting to use it in that fashion would be dangerous. A player who wishes for Combat Reflexes, for example, may find himself changed, mind and body, into a level 1 character who has that feat.

 

[Michael Silverbane]

In games that I run, each character can gain a single wish granted, non-epic feat, so long as the character has all of the prerequisites of that feat when the wish is made. This, obviously, is a house-rule.

Later
silver

 

[RisnDevil]

I say treat it like wishing for ability scores. One wish grants one feat, and to gain feats with pre-requisites you must successively cast wish to wish through the chain. If you gained one of the pre-reqs some other way than wish, then you cannot wish further down the chain.

Wish for PA, take Cleave, cannot wish for Great Cleave. Wish for PA AND Cleave, can wish for Great Cleave.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Gaining a feat is not one of the listed functions of Wish, so attempting to use it in that fashion would be dangerous. A player who wishes for Combat Reflexes, for example, may find himself changed, mind and body, into a level 1 character who has that feat.

That's extremely powerful for a feat.

e.g. "I wish my greatest enemy, the Archmage Zurg, to have Combat Reflexes."

 

[pawsplay]

It's not that out of line with permanent enchantment... I was thinking you might slap on a LA if it gets out of hand.

1 extra feat: no problem
2 extra feats: +1 LA
3-4 extra feats: +2 LA
5-8 extra feats: +3 LA

etc.

 

[FireLance]

I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow one wish to grant a feat that you qualify for, but successive feats would require more wishes:

The first feat requires one wish.
The second feat requires two consecutive wishes.
The third feat requires three consecutive wishes, and so on.

You could stop at a fixed number such as three or five, impose a limit such as no more than one extra feat every six character levels, or a maximum number of extra feats equal to the character's Charisma bonus.