Hand of Vecna
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Can a Wish be used to allow a character to take a corss-class skill as a class skill? For example, could a Druid use a Wish (from a Ring of Wishes) to gain Knowledge: Dungeoneering as a class skill?
Wishes & Skills
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Lord Pendragon
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If the DM allows it. I probably would.Hand of Vecna said:
pawsplay
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I'd say not. I think breaking the traditional class boundaries is beyond the power of a wish, considering it can't even grant permanent increases in ability scores, only inherent bonuses. Otherwise, you'd have to consider the possibility of something wishing for one of your class skills to become a cross-class skill.
I think an inherent +4 enhancement bonus to the skill would be better.
I think an inherent +4 enhancement bonus to the skill would be better.
Lord Pendragon
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An inherent bonus is permanent. Nothing can remove it, even death. It stacks with everything but itself. The only reason there's a cap on how much of an inherent bonus you can have is to keep the uber-lich from having a 6000 Int by the time you find his lair.pawsplay said:
And I'd absolutely allow an NPC to wish a PC class skill into a cross-class skill. I just don't have any NPCs that would be stupid enough to make such a wish. Why go with "I wish he had a harder time learning how to tumble!" when you could wish him into a lizard? Or wish your dead 17th-level buddy back from the dead?
Oi. And I thought I was stingy with wish results...
Lord Pendragon
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In a way, yes. I don't allow a wish to be phrased in meta-game terms. The player has to use in-game terms to phrase the wish. A fighter can't wish for a good Will save any more than he can wish for more BAB. But a fighter could certainly wish to have more willpower, or a stronger will.pawsplay said:
Mechanically, would I give the fighter a good Will Save? Sure. But not retroactively. So from 15th-20th level (allowing wishes before 15th-level is a completely separate problem,) the fighter would gain +3 Will, instead of +1, or the equivalent of the Iron Will feat.
As far as class and cross-class skills, if a fighter wished that he had an easier time learning, say, tumbling, I'd allow it. Again, not retroactively. So from the time of the wish, he could buy ranks in Tumble at a 1-for-1 ratio, up to a max of level+3, but he'd still have to pay the skill points, and he wouldn't get back any points he'd already put into Tumble. Or the equivalent of the Cosmopolitan feat.
Wishes shouldn't be able to grant class features (such as lay on hands, monk unarmed damage, cleric domains, etc.,) but they are a very high-level power, and should be treated as such. YMMV.
probably the easiest way to get cross-class skills in 3.5, is to take a class which has that skill as aclass skill. Doing so makes that skill permanently a class skill. This may seem silly, but record keeping is now SOOOOOO much easier when skills come around. Though everyone now has an incentive to start all characters as rogues, which cna be silly.
MerakSpielman
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Is this right? I thought it only counted as a class skill when adding a level of that particular class.Hecateus said:
edit: To stay on-topic: I would allow Wishes to increase skills, but I'd limit it to +8 ranks in the skill, or +4 ranks in a cross-class skill, or +2 ranks in a class-prohibited skill (and it's still prohibited insomuch that you can't add ranks to it when you level up). I would also rule that you cannot exceed the maximum ranks normally allowed for your level by using this method.
Note that this delays leveling up, when you might be able to get more skill points for your class/cross class skills just by virtue of your class and intelligence than I'm allowing Wish to give you.
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