Wolfgang's "Demonweb Q&A"

[Mouseferatu]

Iron Kingdoms, Freeport and Ptolus have nothing to do with WotC supported campaigns but thanks for playing.

They have as much to do with official WotC material as Eberron has to do with steampunk.

Seriously, I think what Whizzy was saying is that these campaign settings all have legitimate examples of steampunk, and was bringing them up for comparison. Eberron, despite the conclusion that many folks jumped to when the initial artwork was released, has no steampunk in it. None. Zero.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Seriously, I think what Whizzy was saying is that these campaign settings all have legitimate examples of steampunk, and was bringing them up for comparison. Eberron, despite the conclusion that many folks jumped to when the initial artwork was released, has no steampunk in it. None. Zero.

Yup.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Newcomer = exaggeration but whatever ive seen plenty of poster who never played anything earlier than 3.0 and plenty of posters whos ideas of playing AD&D involved having a bag full of Vorpal Weapons but whatever. I never claimed to be the first person to play the game just a person who has been playing by the rules for well over 20 years.

And, as noted, that's not an impressive amount of time and immaterial for this discussion.

Golems were never PCs unless by claiming how much of a newcomer I am you are counting folks as more experienced who didn't follow the even the most basic rules.

So, your objection isn't to golems -- which you refer to cutely as "robots" -- it's to golems as PCs? Then why even include the whole dig about robots at all?

Iron Kingdoms, Freeport and Ptolus have nothing to do with WotC supported campaigns but thanks for playing.

I was trying to show you what a steampunk D&D setting looks like, since you seem to not know what steampunk actually consists of.

 

[Pants]

Can we have one thread which doesn't turn into a ToH jackfest or an Eberron sux/rox debacle?

With that said, let me show what a horrible hypocrite I am...

A lot of what we have in D&D wouldn't be here without PS

Legions of fanboys? I think I could do without that

I kid because I love...

My opinion in this case is that I've never and still don't need any official campaign settings filled with airships, trains, and PC robots/transformers especially in an era where they are supporting so few settings.

You know... instead of wishing that no one can enjoy it, why not just ignore it like everything else that you don't like? Craaaazy idea I know.

They should have left the robots to the third party publishers and redone Greyhawk or Mystara DnD didn't need a steampunk remix.

/end rant

This bears repeating, Eberron is not steampunk. Not. At. All.

 

[Hussar]

Er, I didn't say that I didn't like Q1. I said that I liked Giants, the D series, and ToH better. In the case of G and D, that's because of my play experience with them: they are extemely short and reward DM improvisation.

In the case of ToH, I like it because I'm a sadistic SoB who loves player handouts. I will decline to participate in the edition wars, though: I've enjoyed every edition to date, for different reasons.

Sorry, didn't mean for this to sound like an edition warz thing at all. I think I simply misstated things badly. I was just a little surprised to see G and D lumped with ToH as great modules. The first two I agree with, the last, not so much.

Thanks for that. The handouts were great too.

 

[Tharen the Damned]

Uhm I think you mis understood Tharen and myself. We figure EVERYTHING in the Abyss has to involve Orcus at some point. Fortunately for us, this adventure does so. Thanks Wolfgang! .

Nighfall, you said it!
And in the end, everything in the Abyss WILL involve Orcus!


Didn't want to bash Eberron. Just some friendly teasing.

 

[Agamon]

Well, it's good to see that bubble burst rather quickly.

I was being facetious, of course. Or maybe not of course, need to use more smileys!




Oh, right...

 

[Maggan]

Can we have one thread which doesn't turn into a ToH jackfest or an Eberron sux/rox debacle?

Well, we could always talk about 4e?

/M

 

[Shadeydm]

So, your objection isn't to golems -- which you refer to cutely as "robots" -- it's to golems as PCs? Then why even include the whole dig about robots at all?

Show me in which AD&D, 2E, 3E PHB it talks about PC robots and I will withdraw my objection, oh wait you can't because it doesn't. Golems or magically animated statues were not ever PC races.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

Show me in which AD&D, 2E, 3E PHB it talks about PC robots and I will withdraw my objection, oh wait you can't because it doesn't. Golems or magically animated statues were not ever PC races.

Your point being...? If you don't want to have them as PCs, then disallow them in your campaign. What's the problem?