Work on my Gish

[d12]

Any help with spell selection, item selection, feats, etc would be appreciated. We're unlikely to get to very high level play, so my priority here was to get to spellcasting in armor quickly and to try to lose as little BAB and caster levels as possible.

Human

1st – Battle Sor 1
Feat: Anarchic Bloodline Feat (one predetermined bonus spell known per level)
Feat: Battle caster feat - no arcane spell failure in medium armor – heavy if mithril

1st level spell: Lesser Orb of Sound
Bloodline 1st level spell: Color Spray


2nd – Battle Sor 1 / Fighter 1
Fighter Feat: Weapon Focus


3rd – Battle Sor 2/ F1
Feat: Power Attack


4th – Battle Sor 3/ F1
1st level spell: Shield


5th – Battle Sor 4/ F1 –
2nd Level Spell: Wraithstrike
Bloodline 2nd Level Spell: Tasha’s Hideous Laughter


6th – Battle Sor 4 / F1 / Spellsword 1 (Caster Level 5) –
Feat: Combat Casting
1st level spell: Grease or Blades of Fire or Magic Missile or ?


7th - Battle Sor 4 / F1 / Spellsword 1 /Abjurant Champion 1 (CL6)
1st level spell: Grease or Blades of Fire or Magic Missile or ?
3rd level spell: Haste or Lightning Bolt or Fireball or Displacement or Dragonskin
Bloodline 3rd Level Spell: Rage

Abjurant Armor and Extended Abjuration from AbjChamp


8th – Battle Sor 4 / F1 / Spellsword 1 / AbjCh 2 (CL 7)
2nd lvl spell: Bull’s Str or Blur or Sonic Weapon or Scorching Ray or ?

Swift Abjuration from Abj Champ


9th Battle Sor 4 / F1 / Spellsword 1 / AbjCh 3 (CL8)
Feat: Arcane Strike
4th level spell: Stoneskin or Greater Invisibility or Orb of Force or Thunderlance (FRCS) or Wings of Flurry
Bloodline 4th Level Spell: Confusion


10th Battle Sor 4 / F1 / Spellsword 1 / Abj Ch 4 (CL9)
2nd level spell: Bull’s Str or Blur or Sonic Weapon or Scorching Ray or Resist Energy or ?
3rd level spell: Haste or Lightning Bolt or Fireball or Displacement or Dragonskin or Protection from Energy

Arcane Boost from AbjChamp


11th – Battle Sor 4 / F1 / Spellsword 1 /Abjurant Champion 5 (CL 10)
5th level spell: Cone of Cold or Arc of Lightning or Mestil’s Acid Sheath or Vitriolic Sphere or Ball Lightning or Firebrand or Simbul’s Spell Matrix
Bloodline 5th Level spell: Mindfog

Martial Arcanist from AbjChamp


12th – Battle Sor 4 / F1 / Spellsword 1 /Abjurant Champion 5 / EK1 (CL 10)
Feat: Lightning Reflexes
Feat: Sudden Extend



Magic Items Wish List:
Mithril Plate +1
Cloak of Resistance (to help with bad reflex saves)
Wands and Scrolls of Utility and Buffing Spells

 

[Dandu]

Have you considered Paladin2/Sorc4/Spellsword1/Ab Champ 5/Sacred Exorcist 8?

Consult the Gish Handbook for more information on feats and spells.

 

[d12]

Nice build, but I lose 2 BAB and 2 CL in the early levels that way. I think I only lose one of each by 11th level with mine. Of course, I lose some daily spells with Battle Sorcerer, but one can't have everything.

There's a chance we'll go gestalt, in which case, I will probably do paladin of freedom and sorcerer.

 

[parinho7]

have a look at this build
Ultimate Huge Divine Battle Sorcerer (3.5e Optimized Character Build) - D&D Wiki

 

[Dandu]

Ignore that build, it's crap.

 

[parinho7]

Ignore that build, it's crap.

why is that?

 

[Dandu]

Offhand:

1. Otherwordly grants proficiency in all martial weapons, including the Greatsword. There is no need to spend a seperate feat on greatsword proficiency. Even if it didn't the Greatsword is not worth a feat.
2. Weapon Focus is a waste of time.
3. Persist Spell without a means of reducing the adjustment. Stupid move.
4. Spell list includes such gems as Antimagic Field, which makes a spellcaster USELESS and Disjunction, which destroys your loot. No Shapechange, which is godly for a Gish. Stupid, stupid.

This is not a build made by an optimizer. This is a build made by someone who knows optimizers exist, and is trying to be an optimizer, but only ends imitating them like a monkey imitates the people who visit it at the zoo.

 

[parinho7]

Offhand:

1. Otherwordly grants proficiency in all martial weapons, including the Greatsword. There is no need to spend a seperate feat on greatsword proficiency. Even if it didn't the Greatsword is not worth a feat.

no seperate feat is spend, weapon proficiency and focus are listed because they are granted by the stalwart sorcerer acf

2. Weapon Focus is a waste of time.

I agree

3. Persist Spell without a means of reducing the adjustment. Stupid move.

maybe. this could be achieved with the easy metamagic feat (replace arcane stirke) from dragon magazine, although I don't think it is that important because the duration of the extended spells is satisfying (my opinion)

4. Spell list includes such gems as Antimagic Field, which makes a spellcaster USELESS and Disjunction, which destroys your loot. No Shapechange, which is godly for a Gish. Stupid, stupid.

if you had read the whole article you'd see that these spells are supposed to work with duelward in order to counter other casters that use them against him.

This is not a build made by an optimizer. This is a build made by someone who knows optimizers exist, and is trying to be an optimizer, but only ends imitating them like a monkey imitates the people who visit it at the zoo.

I made this build, and yes I am trying to be an optimizer. According to you I don't handle it very well!! Well, I'll try harder since your opinion matters because I admire your knowledge on the subject (although it could be expressed with a little bit more politeness).

 

[Dandu]

It's entirely possible I am incorrect. We could easily settle this dispute on BG, as there is an army of optimizers there who probably know gishes better than I.

Shall we?

 

[parinho7]

It's entirely possible I am incorrect. We could easily settle this dispute on BG, as there is an army of optimizers there who probably know gishes better than I.

Shall we?

I am not saying that I am correct. I'd like to see some other opinions or given some pointers, so ok!!