WotC acknowledges 4th Edition Not for Everyone?

[reveal]

Terrain is not terrain. These tiles aren't even terrain. You want terrain check out Dwarven Forge, or Hirst Arts.

Stop being pedantic. Fine, it's not "terrain" by definition, since that refers to the ground or features of land, but if someone asked what the terrain was like in the dungeon, I wouldn't be pedantic enough to say "It's the floor, not terrain."

I think the point is by not saying "for 4th edition", it doesn't automatically drive people away that don't want to play 4th edition.

No the point is that just because it says that it's "compatible with all editions of" D&D doesn't mean that WotC is saying that 4E isn't for everyone. They are tiles that can be used for anything and WotC knows that. That's the point I was making based upon the OP.

 

[reveal]

If you can sell to a broad audience, why limit yourselves to just 4e enthusiasts?

Exactly. It's marketing, pure and simple. And smart marketing at that.

 

[Kishin]

I highly doubt this is indicative of anything other than "You can use these gridded tiles with any existing D&D product!"

It would be far fetched indeed to expect 'edition independent' products that weren't things like Dungeon Tiles, and were instead actual books.

 

[Lord Xtheth]

I'm very much thinking that some have this idea backwards.
Wizards, I think, is trying to inform people that they can also buy the older tile sets and use them for 4e, as well as use the "4e tile sets" for other editions.

They're trying to continue making money off of what older materials they can.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

Stop being pedantic. Fine, it's not "terrain" by definition, since that refers to the ground or features of land, but if someone asked what the terrain was like in the dungeon, I wouldn't be pedantic enough to say "It's the floor, not terrain."

The thing is I don't think he's being pedantic about this at all. They ARE tiles. It says so right on the product.

Also the tiles don't only deal with dungeon environments. In fact I'm pretty sure there are at least 2 of the sets that deal with outdoor environments.

This is small thing to argue over but to me: THIS STUFF is terrain.

These things are Tiles.

I'm pretty certain that I'm not the only one who feels that way.

 

[reveal]

The thing is I don't think he's being pedantic about this at all. They ARE tiles. It says so right on the product.

As someone who doesn't play Warhammer, I'm referring to the stuff printed on the tiles.

Also the tiles don't only deal with dungeon environments. In fact I'm pretty sure there are at least 2 of the sets that deal with outdoor environments.

I know. So I guess my "terrain is terrain" statement is appropriate since there are ground tiles.

This is small thing to argue over but to me: THIS STUFF is terrain.

These things are Tiles.

I'm pretty certain that I'm not the only one who feels that way.

You're right; it's a very small thing to argue over and to me is pedantic.

 

[Mephistopheles]

I'd say they're just trying to include their customers who are not playing 4E, with the aim of selling more of their product.

If the text had read "All Dungeon Tiles products are compatible with Dungeons and Dragons 4th Edition." we'd have people howling about how they're being excluded for not moving to 4E (ignoring the fact that there's nothing that would make the tiles incompatible with previous editions as things stand).

Catch-22.

 

[DaveMage]

In the interest of full disclosure, the back text includes:

"For use with these 4th Edition Dungeons & Dragons Core Products:

Player's Handbook
Dungeon Master's Guide
Monster Manual
Dungeons and Dragons Miniatures
Other D&D Dungeon Tiles sets"

After this text, it indicates what I put in the initial post.

I find it interesting because it's different from the back text on the first set of tiles released after 4E (DU1 - Halls of the Giant Kings), which does not mention any edition. (It simply states "for use with these D&D Products", with the listed products above, sans edition.)

 

[justanobody]

True, but C&T is a 2nd ed book. Also, in 2nd ed all combat movement is assumed 1" = 10 feet, a change from 1st ed where 1" = 10 yards outdoors.

Yes. I was just noting that second didn't require to be outdoors when dealing with feet vs yards for the same scale amount of 1 inch.

So it doesn't quite fit even within the confines of D&D as the scale is not really constant with the 5 listed equivalents for one inch.

I mean how big is that tavern at 4x5 squares?

20 x 25 feet?
20 x 25 yards?
12+ x 15+ feet?
40 x 50 feet?
40 x 50 yards?

This is where perfect to-scale miniatures would come in handy to give you the relative scale of the tiles depending on the edition....

You're right; it's a very small thing to argue over and to me is pedantic.

No it is being technical.

the quality or state of being technical; that which is technical, or peculiar to any trade, profession, sect, or the like

D&D isn't a game it's just a collection of books, unless you want to be pedantic about it.

 

[reveal]

No it is being technical.

You know, I almost posted a defintion of "terrain" for you but I didn't because I thought that would be childish and insulting. I guess I was the only one who thought that and figured you were an adult who knew the defintion of the word.

D&D isn't a game it's just a collection of books, unless you want to be pedantic about it.

You both know exactly what we're talking about here. We're talking about Dungeon Tiles. And you know full well that when I say "terrain" I don't mean terrain as in Warhammer terrain but as in what's printed on the tiles. That right there is full-on pedantry.