WotC acknowledges 4th Edition Not for Everyone?

[justanobody]

Then why even make a miniature product line at all?

 

[Charwoman Gene]

Then why even make a miniature product line at all?

Beacuse most people just want something that looks kinda a little better than pennies and gumdrops. Scale freaks aand other terrain-wanery represents the lunatic fringe of gaming in some respect. Take a bow.

 

[Hussar]

Then why even make a miniature product line at all?

This has already been answered. The minis and terrain/tiles (whatever you want to use) are there to provide approximations, not realism. It doesn't matter where in that 5 foot square my mini is after all. So, why would it really matter if my mini is a bit taller or shorter? Heck, by the D&D scale, no mini actually fits, since a square is only 5 feet high. The vast majority of minis are way off.

And I couldn't possibly care less.

Heck, I use 2d environments all the time because I play online. I got me pretty maps and tokens. Works for me.

 

[WalterKovacs]

A picture of a pipe is not a pipe. A picture of a tree, is not a tree.

A scale model of a tree isn't a tree either.

Plant your scale models tree in your front lawn and smoke your scale model pipe.

Model terrain, which modellers refer to as simply "terrain", doesn't mean that it is actual terrain.

It's ok that one group has shortformed it to terrain. Another group refering to something else that is an abstract representation of the terrain the characters are "in" is wrong, because another group has a different defiition ... even if that groups definition was ALSO wrong, instead referring to another abstract representation of the terrain.

EDIT:

D&D doesn't care if the Dwarf is shorter than the half-elf is shorter than the human is shorter than the dragonborn.

They are all medium. All medium characters have the same size BASE.

All small creatures have the same size BASE. Same with large, etc, etc, etc.

The point is base determines how many squares you fill. The figure ON the base represents what the character it looks like. Since the rules handle things without needing to actually measure out line of sight on scaled terrain with scaled minis [to match PC characters which would require TONS of different figures to have the right weapon in the hands of the character with the right height/weight of the character]. It cares about whether or not a character is in any given 5'x5' cube ... even if they are taller they aren't in the higher cube.

The rules for D&D abstract things out so you don't need to have absolutely correct scaling for minis and such. Thus they rather make the minis LOOK GOOD than waste time making them absolutely accurate to an exact scale.

 

[Mark]

A scale model of a tree isn't a tree either.

I've got some 28mm scale models of Bonsai trees that can hardly be seen.

 

[justanobody]

Beacuse most people just want something that looks kinda a little better than pennies and gumdrops. Scale freaks aand other terrain-wanery represents the lunatic fringe of gaming in some respect. Take a bow.

Then use/make tokens. They are cheaper to make, and you can fit more in a pack for less to the consumer.

 

[DaveMage]

I've got some 28mm scale models of Bonsai trees that can hardly be seen.

You win the thread.

 

[DaveMage]

Getting the thread back on track.

D&D 4e is not for everyone. Regardless of the D&D edition you play, if you are still playing, you are playing D&D. It says so right on the book.

With my quote in mind and responding to the OPs query, the statement on the tile pack is in no way an acknowledgment of the the fact the 4e is not for everyone but we are also not so naive as to think that the only people who buy these things play 4e. They are an RPG accessory for games that use 1 inch grid (or games that don't if you can look past the lines and hash marks) and the statement is meant to acknowledge that.

So.....4E is not for everyone, but you don't (or rather, the tiles set doesn't) acknowledge that 4E is not for everyone.

You must be in marketing.

Edit - either way, I do like the tiles.

 

[Fifth Element]

Then use/make tokens. They are cheaper to make, and you can fit more in a pack for less to the consumer.

Yes, I think you're right. People who like prepainted minis that are only approximately to scale are just wrong. How can they be so wrong and not realize it?

You tell 'em, brother.

 

[Fifth Element]

I mean should a kobold be put on a large DDM base? Why not, who cares right!

I think more people would agree with you if you'd stop being so obtuse. Small DDM minis have the same size bases. Mediums have the same size, etc. We're talking about small differences in scale that do not affect their use in the game one iota.