WoTC feels unfairly treated in the ENnies?

Nisarg

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Hi,

In the now-famous Morrus rant, he claimed that WoTC didn't enter the ENnies because they felt that their products would not be given a fair treatment. It was also Morrus' opinion that this feeling was unfounded.

So, I would like to know now whether WoTC really feels this way, but it seems unlikely to be confirmable unless someone who is currently working at WoTC would come on here and confirm this.

Until then, let's assume its true; this raises another important question: could it be a legitimate feeling?

During the thread discussing how to change the ENnies, someone at one point made the insinuation that the current voting system does not take quantity of votes into account at all, and that this was done on purpose so that Wizards wouldn't have an "unfair" advantage. I asked on there if this meant that an unknown product that gets a single "10" vote would beat a product that got 1000 "9" votes, but no one ever answered to confirm or deny this.

If this is true, I could CERTAINLY see how WoTC would feel that the current Ennies system is biased against them, and it would appear to me that in the effort to make sure WoTC doesnt' "sweep" the people running these awards went too far, making a grading system that gives all the advantages to Wizards-enemies (who'll vote 1 for the products regardless of worth) and no consideration to WoTC's greatest virtue, the fact that it is more loved by more gamers than any other company out there!

So, IS this how the ennies currently work? If not, does the current scoring system, however it works, one that inherently demonstrates an anti-wizards bias, or intentionally sets out to make the awards favoritist to lesser-known products at the expense of being a realistic reflection of the current market?

Nisarg
 

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Its not biased against them, it places everyone on an even field. Or a closer even field as a perfectly even one cannot happen. I saw your wquestion in the other thread, but I didn't do the programing of the voting and I don't really know exactly how it works. There is the normilazation that does change numbers. Also, there is the humans watching over it all. While it has never happened, I can see the judges stepping in if a product got a single 10 vote and won. Actually, the products get a more even number of votes then people might realize.
 

The question isn't really about a theoretical and highly unlikely chance that a product might win by having just one single 10 vote, but the more important question of whether NUMBER OF VOTES is factored in at all.

I think it would still be highly unfair if a product won with 50 "9" votes over another product with 500 "8" votes.

Does being "fair" to small publishers equate to being unfair to large publishers and those who support them? If I choose to vote for a Wizards product should my vote end up "counting" less than the guy who voted for a "Bumquist press" product? Because that's what happens if all you're doing is counting averages. Voting a 10 in a pool of 100 is worth a lot more than voting 10 in a pool of 1000.

Nisarg
 
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That is correct. But it has worked pretty darn well. Green Ronin is by no means one of the small publishers, and they got some of the most people rating their products. Yet, they still were able to win; a lot. It is the system we have and it worked pretty well the last two years.
 

Nisarg said:
I think it would still be highly unfair if a product won with 50 "9" votes over another product with 500 "8" votes.

What if the 50 people who cast "9" votes for product A also cast 50 "8" votes for product B?
 
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