WotC has ended support for Living Forgotten Realms (and the RPGA, too)

[JacktheRabbit]

Magic, the Gathering is large enough to actually get noticed by Hasbro as opposed to D&D.

That game is still popular enough to make money? I figured with the 6 million clones out there and the fact that I havnt seen someone playing a game of magic in years that it was dead as the rest of the collectible card games.

 

[WolfStar76]

I'm sure you meant Amanautor (possibly Lathander), right? Because we don't like Pelor and them Greyhawk deities in our Forgotten Realms (except, of course, Moradin, Corellon, Llolth... Well, you know what I mean. Not Pelor).

Quiet, you!

 

[Dannager]

Yeah Steel Wind asked a good question and now people seem to want to bash Paizo.

Who bashed Paizo?

Yes they charge for the Pathfinder Society organized modules. Pre late 2000, IIRC, TSR/WOTC charged for the RPGA modules. Paizo has to make a profit. $4 isn't that much to pay for a module.

Yes, pretty much everyone agreed on this. No one was saying that it's wrong for Paizo to charge for the organized play program. The only criticism anyone leveled was at Steel_Wind's desire to compare Pathfinder Society to LFR in terms of corporate support, when it's clear that they are two very different programs to begin with.

Well, now you see how rude it is when fans of other companies level claims of WotC being "money grubbing" or pulling a "cash-grab." Stinks when people level those accusations at your favorite company, doesn't it?

It does, but I don't think anyone in the thread has accused Paizo of being money-grubbing. So, I mean, while it might be nice for Paizo fans to get a bit of perspective on how that feels, it looks like that's still not something that 4e fans are prone to tossing out there without some solid justification for it.

 

[Herschel]

If we were all woodworking hobbiests, would we berate each other for preferences of Ash vs Oak?

Bah, anyone with half a clue recognizes the superior acoustic properties of maple. The value of its warm, round, sweet tone as it hits your toe and then the floor is the perfect complement to the inevitable cornucopia of variously pitched curse words accompanying the dropping of said item on one's toe.

 

[tuxgeo]

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If we were all woodworking hobbiests, would we berate each other for preferences of Ash vs Oak?

(probably )

"berate" might be a bit strong; "chide" may be closer:

If we were all hardworking hobbitses, we "wood" chide one another about our preferences for aging ale in casks made of maple (for sweetness) versus oak (for astringency).

(Of course, that's not what you asked -- but why be relevant?)

 

[ProfessorCirno]

Yeah Steel Wind asked a good question and now people seem to want to bash Paizo.

No, that's not what happened. Nobody here is bashing Paizo.

What happened is that Steel Wind asked a question here, got an answer he didn't like, and intentionally made an inflammatory thread on the Paizo forums that was hilariously factually incorrect.

I sense a pro-Paizo vs pro-WoTC fan fight developing. It seems ENWorld will be the site of a new civil war between fans.

I disagree.

It has never been about pro-one side vs pro-other side.

It has always been about anti-"your side" vs anti-"my side"

 

[Festivus]

Organised Play isn't stopping though. The D&D Encounters season is ongoing, and there'll be a new program starting in September this year.

Meanwhile, Living Forgotten Realms is currently being more "hands off" for so far as how Wizards are running it, with responsibility delegated to the Global Adminstrators (who, I believe, are paid by Wizards - they are certainly "under contract" from the LFR campaign guide released last month). It's worth visiting its new website: Living Forgotten Realms and seeing what's there.

Cheers!

WoTC still requires things of the campaign, fortune cards must be accepted for example.

RPGA isn't going away, it and DCI are being folded into Wizards Play Network. Encounters still asks for RPGA/DCI/WPN numbers, as does LFR... for public play only. Home play no longer needs to be reported.

Benefits of hands off is that adventures are way easier to get now, you just go to Living Forgotten Realms and download what you want. No fuss.

I don't think Wizards is thinking of dropping public play support at all, there is still support with things like Encounters and the new program. I think encounters is an excellent gateway drug.

 

[darjr]

I didn't think either the cards were required nor that reporting was still going on.

See this post about reporting.

See the LFR Campaign Guide v2.0 page 23 about fortune cards.

 

[MerricB]

I didn't think either the cards were required nor that reporting was still going on.

There's a difference between cards being required and cards being allowed. Festivus said the second - Fortune Cards are allowed to be used in LFR, because Wizards want them to be.

Cheers!

 

[Festivus]

Cards are not required to play LFR, but as a judge you must allow them to be used if presented for play. I never said they were required to play, only that they be accepted.