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except YOU are claiming they are biased without showing any reason to call them thatYes, exactly! That's my point.
except YOU are claiming they are biased without showing any reason to call them thatYes, exactly! That's my point.
We know that it is a skewed sample, by definition. As @billd91 pointed out, that's the default assumption, particularly when talking about a fraction of a percent of the total population. But more importantly, we don't know how the sample skews!except YOU are claiming they are biased without showing any reason to call them that
They are biased because they are biased. They have an inherent selection bias. You can get results from such a sample, but that usually involves various statistical analyses to demonstrate that any differences are unlikely to be result of random chance. And even then, any study that involved such a sample would still note that there was a selection bias when noting the limitations of the study.except YOU are claiming they are biased without showing any reason to call them that
Isn't this the battlemaster?fighter can be simple... introduce a warlord, make that the complex weapon/non spell class
show me better results then. notice that you are again arguing that this is so biased... but you can't show HOW it is biased.
Yes, exactly! That's my point.
except YOU are claiming they are biased without showing any reason to call them that
We know that it is a skewed sample, by definition. As @billd91 pointed out, that's the default assumption, particularly when talking about a fraction of a percent of the total population. But more importantly, we don't know how the sample
No it isn’t.Isn't this the battlemaster?
And yet people can't ever seem to show what they want when they ask for a "complex martial" that isn't already provided by multiple 3PPs. At this point one can assume there is nothing that could possibly fill this "need."No it isn’t.
And you have been in enough threads where this has been argued.
The cynic in me says the call for a complex martial comes largely from those who would have their cake and eat it too; who want a character with all the capabilities of a full-on Fighter but which also has spells or other quasi-magical abilities baked in for those times when fighting isn't the best course of action. Think Gish, or Warlord, or Swordsage; that type of thing, only leaning a bit toward the warrior side.And yet people can't ever seem to show what they want when they ask for a "complex martial" that isn't already provided by multiple 3PPs. At this point one can assume there is nothing that could possibly fill this "need."
we are all in edition war mode... I admit it, but lets be honest you are effected by it tooBoth of you are being the problem here, but I want to use this to show the bigger issue.
As a community we stink at talking to each other (as someone into comics and movies I will not say we are the only ones) and this is a great time when we should be acting better.
Don’t try to win arguments try to talk and this place (and others) will be better for it. I am about to get back to game 3 of a playtest with 2 teenage new players and I would be embarrassed to show them this is how we talk here.
but part of it is the fact that we only get responses to things that enrage (funny how close to engage that is).No it isn’t.
And you have been in enough threads where this has been argued.
see only trying to pick at and try to fight about it.The cynic in me says the call for a complex martial comes largely from those who would have their cake and eat it too;
lol you mean a hexblade or a warrior cleric or bard, or the bladesinger.... you know the classes that are just that.who want a character with all the capabilities of a full-on Fighter but which also has spells or other quasi-magical abilities baked in for those times when fighting isn't the best course of action. Think Gish, or Warlord, or Swordsage; that type of thing, only leaning a bit toward the warrior side.
again you are mistaken for "we want things as good as what others have" for "give us everything" but I can see how it's hard to see when the casters are pretty close to having it allIn other words, a jack-of-all-trades character that is in fact a master-of-all-trades
look to 4e to manage to not be a super game, not be a non warrior... but still have options and power.Because otherwise, there's really only so much complexity you can put into a hit-it-till-it-falls-over warrior archetype before you either make it not a warrior any more or you make it something better suited to a supers game.
Well you can start with official content and not 3ppAnd yet people can't ever seem to show what they want when they ask for a "complex martial" that isn't already provided by multiple 3PPs. At this point one can assume there is nothing that could possibly fill this "need."