Indeed. Well, WotC lost out on money from me over this, I was about to purchase more books. Their loss.
WotC puts a stop to online sales of PDFs
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Indeed. Well, WotC lost out on money from me over this, I was about to purchase more books. Their loss.
Aus_Snow
First Post
I've got some older edition products (pre-3e - the 3e ones were *ridiculously* expensive) from DrivethruRPG / RPGNow, and was planning to buy some more, sooner or later. Also, now I can't re-download the stuff I have bought?
What the hell does that have to do with 'lost sales'. I mean, really. Get a grip. Or, be honest, more to the point.
Wow. You know? I've been more tolerant of WotC's blunderings, their arrogant decisions, crass marketing, broken promises, condescension and so forth, of late. Yes, I called them on it, in times past. But I figured, done is done, past is past, let it be.
Ugh. Now, I'm not going to 'retaliate' (besides, how could I, in fact) but. . . yeah, wow. I just had to say something here. And that's all there is to say, I think. Other than that, I've said it all before. I guess, it surely still applies, is all.
What the hell does that have to do with 'lost sales'. I mean, really. Get a grip. Or, be honest, more to the point.
Wow. You know? I've been more tolerant of WotC's blunderings, their arrogant decisions, crass marketing, broken promises, condescension and so forth, of late. Yes, I called them on it, in times past. But I figured, done is done, past is past, let it be.
Ugh. Now, I'm not going to 'retaliate' (besides, how could I, in fact) but. . . yeah, wow. I just had to say something here. And that's all there is to say, I think. Other than that, I've said it all before. I guess, it surely still applies, is all.
Odhanan
Adventurer
As if there weren't enough games out there to have a blast with any of them but 4e. Besides, you might call it a 5-year-old mentality while others would call it "principle". To each their own, I suppose.
Lanefan
Victoria Rules
I don't do the .pdf thing; never have, really.
But I'm still annoyed. Why? Because with the 0e-1e-2e era .pdf's no longer for sale, the prices on paper copies of same is probably going to skyrocket.
And dammit, I'm finally getting to GenCon this year, and one of my to-do's was to fill out my collection of old-school adventure modules while there.
Though, if this trend of bizarre decision-making continues, I think I *will* stop by the WotC booth while I'm there, and ask some serious questions; and just hope they have someone there who can give real (as opposed to corp-speak) answers.
Lan-"dilbert says it all"-efan
But I'm still annoyed. Why? Because with the 0e-1e-2e era .pdf's no longer for sale, the prices on paper copies of same is probably going to skyrocket.
And dammit, I'm finally getting to GenCon this year, and one of my to-do's was to fill out my collection of old-school adventure modules while there.
Though, if this trend of bizarre decision-making continues, I think I *will* stop by the WotC booth while I'm there, and ask some serious questions; and just hope they have someone there who can give real (as opposed to corp-speak) answers.
Lan-"dilbert says it all"-efan
Samuel Leming
First Post
The Last Straw
OK, that's it. That's the final insult I'm willing to take from WotC.
Before this I was willing to buy from WotC again if they produced something I actually wanted. I was even considering picking up PHB2 and MM2 depending what MM2 looked like. PHB2 filled out the classes enough that you could ban all the martial classes and run 4e as a sort of fantasy supers game.
Now I have to say that I'll not purchase another thing from WotC as long as this Greg Leeds guy is in charge. Until somebody else takes over and pulls this continuous charlie foxtrot back around WotC can just kiss the hairiest part of my ass.
OK, that's it. That's the final insult I'm willing to take from WotC.
Before this I was willing to buy from WotC again if they produced something I actually wanted. I was even considering picking up PHB2 and MM2 depending what MM2 looked like. PHB2 filled out the classes enough that you could ban all the martial classes and run 4e as a sort of fantasy supers game.
Now I have to say that I'll not purchase another thing from WotC as long as this Greg Leeds guy is in charge. Until somebody else takes over and pulls this continuous charlie foxtrot back around WotC can just kiss the hairiest part of my ass.
Two thoughts.
First, you're right about the 5 downloads. I re-read your posts and my responses weren't in line.
Second. Strawman? My responses may have been mistaken, but don't accuse me of duplicity, please.
So to restate: This has provoked a passionate response because you aren't able to buy their product via PDF any longer?
I submit that they'll soon rectify this situation, and you will be able to spend your money on WotC products digital again.
Agreed. This will not end piracy.
I call bullocks. The Adobe publishing will do just fine without Wizard's endorsement. You give them too much credit.
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Personally, I just see this as yet another reminder that WotC/Hasbro is a corporation. Period. These decisions and actions, bordering on underhanded if not downright shady (due to the amount of time this was done in), were obviously put in place by the executives and lawyers at Hasbro/WotC. It also shows me that the powers that be at Hasbro/WotC are about as competent as those running GM. All other topics aside, this is simply a bad business decision on their part. On a personal note, I hope it bites them in the proverbial ![:]](http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png "Devious :]")
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There may be individuals involved in the D&D product that care about the consumer base, but the company as a whole doesn't. Its a business, pure and simple. They aren't in it for the love of the game or the hobby. They simply see the gaming consumer base as a target market to which they produce the lowest costing product they can manage to get people to buy for the highest price possible. Target markets are fluid. So even if they piss off a few hundred, even a few thousand people, there will always be more, NEW, customers to take their place. Why do you think they have such a HUGE marketing focus on expanding the consumer base to new people?
Without a wide-spread, organized protest and boycott of WotC/Hasbro products that makes a big statement to their bottom line, the company won't even notice the complaints and anger voiced by we, the outspoken MINORITY. They simply don't care. Wasting a lot of time crying "foul" is only good for us to vent our frustration, but will have no impact on Wotc/Hasbro at all.
Blizzard is another perfect example of this. With millions of subscribers to WoW, they could care less if they piss of a few thousand and force them out of the game. The cyclical fluid nature of the consumer base will more than make up for any short term impact on sales. Hasbro/WotC has the same mindset.
The day of a company truly caring about their client base died in the late 60's early 70's at the latest (with rare few exceptions).
As for digital media, they will never stop pirating, no matter how hard they try. For some, this simply derives from the NEED for digital copies of books, and it is something the company has apparently yet to realize. Hasbro/WotC needs to wake up and smell the coffee. They still haven't figured out (as seen with their totally incompetent offerings at digital game support) that we now live in the technological information age. The day of purely "paper' products is a thing of the past. Most people I know who still Pen & Paper game, aren't technically P&P anymore, instead using laptops for a lot of the old "paper" sources of gaming, including and most especially being able to carry around WotC's 150 lb. worth of books (e.g. 3.5E) on a laptop. WotC/Hasbro needs to join the rest of us in the 21st Century or go the way of the dodo, just like GM is facing.
/rant off
.There may be individuals involved in the D&D product that care about the consumer base, but the company as a whole doesn't. Its a business, pure and simple. They aren't in it for the love of the game or the hobby. They simply see the gaming consumer base as a target market to which they produce the lowest costing product they can manage to get people to buy for the highest price possible. Target markets are fluid. So even if they piss off a few hundred, even a few thousand people, there will always be more, NEW, customers to take their place. Why do you think they have such a HUGE marketing focus on expanding the consumer base to new people?
Without a wide-spread, organized protest and boycott of WotC/Hasbro products that makes a big statement to their bottom line, the company won't even notice the complaints and anger voiced by we, the outspoken MINORITY. They simply don't care. Wasting a lot of time crying "foul" is only good for us to vent our frustration, but will have no impact on Wotc/Hasbro at all.
Blizzard is another perfect example of this. With millions of subscribers to WoW, they could care less if they piss of a few thousand and force them out of the game. The cyclical fluid nature of the consumer base will more than make up for any short term impact on sales. Hasbro/WotC has the same mindset.
The day of a company truly caring about their client base died in the late 60's early 70's at the latest (with rare few exceptions).
As for digital media, they will never stop pirating, no matter how hard they try. For some, this simply derives from the NEED for digital copies of books, and it is something the company has apparently yet to realize. Hasbro/WotC needs to wake up and smell the coffee. They still haven't figured out (as seen with their totally incompetent offerings at digital game support) that we now live in the technological information age. The day of purely "paper' products is a thing of the past. Most people I know who still Pen & Paper game, aren't technically P&P anymore, instead using laptops for a lot of the old "paper" sources of gaming, including and most especially being able to carry around WotC's 150 lb. worth of books (e.g. 3.5E) on a laptop. WotC/Hasbro needs to join the rest of us in the 21st Century or go the way of the dodo, just like GM is facing.
/rant off
aboyd
Explorer
Were we reading the same thread? The one I read contained tons of f-bombs and talk about lawsuits.
It seemed more vitriolic, and frankly more cathartic, too.
Samuel Leming
First Post
Thumbs? I think you're using the wrong two digits...
I was about to spend another 100 dollars this week on 3.5E PDFs I missed in the past. I was disappointed at first, but the more I think about it, the less disappointed I am. Obviously, WotC doesn't want my money.
