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[WOTC] Revised Corebooks for July confirmed with info

Re: Curious...

Qlippoth said:
Which of White Wolf's games got revised after 1 year in print?

Good lord, when Vampire the Masquerade came out in seemed that there were endless revised editions. That's one of the things that make me laugh when people here complain that "it's only been three years and already they're releasing a revised version?" :)
 

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Flexor the Mighty! said:
Hmmm...I get the feeling of bad Rob Liefeld comics when I see 3e art.

Now now, no need to be cruel. Even the most maladroit WotC artist goes to the trouble of drawing feet on his characters ;)
 

I'm a little skeptical about the "revise" core rule books. I wouldn't mind seeing a new layout with new art, but I don't like the idea of rule changes. I've already spent close to $300 on d20 game products. Will these new revisions render all of the old books obsolete? Even small changes (such as with the character classes) will really affect future supplements, forcing me to buy the revised rule books.
That said, I'm not opposed to rule changes. I, afterall, would like to see a new official version of the ranger. However, I think Wizards should release a book of errata and variant rules like"Unearthed Arcana".
 


I've enjoyed reading the speculation, concerns, and blasting of concerns on the boards. Both sides of the Pro-Revision/Con-Revision have their merits. Unfortunately, it is hard to take stock when we have so little information right now.

I'm going to continue to speculate on what comes out but I'm certainly not going to stress or get too excited this early. I can envision a new set of books that will frustrate me to no end. I can also think of ways that WOTC could publish the revision that would have me lining up at my local gaming store the day it is released. For now, I'm taking the optimistic approach that rules changes will be handled without breaking all the current and future d20 products which are becoming a greater percentage (compared to WOTC) of my gaming library.

It will be interesting to see who is going to do the revisions. While there are many talented staff members left at WOTC - this revision might have been more interesting before the artist and designer fire sales of the last year and a half.
 

Re: Re: Curious...

Originally posted by Felon
Good lord, when Vampire the Masquerade came out in seemed that there were endless revised editions.

If you mean that 3 editions in 10 years was "seemingly endless" then I cry for your math teacher.

- Ma'at
 

Re: Re: Re: Curious...

Tiama'at said:
Originally posted by Felon
Good lord, when Vampire the Masquerade came out in seemed that there were endless revised editions.

If you mean that 3 editions in 10 years was "seemingly endless" then I cry for your math teacher.

- Ma'at
That's the point. Three editions in 10 years aren't many, neither for V:tM nor for D&D, no matter how much it seems to be so.
 

I suspect that the changes to the PHB will be significantly less than folks expect. Errata will be applied, clarifying text inserted (hopefully better combat examples and illustrations) and a smattering of new material and implemented material from the classbooks (particularly feats that have appeared multiple times). 34 pages is not a lot of space to add new material with, and I expect some art changes, clarifications, and not much more. Personally, it would be nice to see the bard and ranger changed, to make them more interesting. Both get most of their class abilities at first level, and never really get more interesting. The ranger, the 'one level wonder' that many take one level of because of 'front-loading', is another problem. I expect many rules will become more optional in this edition, such as the Paladin and Monk's multiclass restrictions.

The DMG will probably have incorporated new rules mechanics (such as the underwater rules from Dragon), a mass combat variant, a few new prestige and NPC classes, and perhaps some sections on how to create and balance prestige classes...and, of course, more magic swag. I would expect charts to appear what they're actually supposed to be near. Probably some additions on gametype alternatives (such as more emphasis on xp for non-combat encounters) and more DM advice.

MM will probably incoroporate the monster creation article from Dragon, new information (various ACs, ECLs, updated errata for all creatures) and some new beasties, too. They may choose to format it differently, not just new art, to better appease one of the largest criticisms of the book.

I would pay full price just for errata-ed books, let alone new content. I doubt older versions will become radically out of print, any more than they did prior to this, when WOTC released the classbooks. I suspect if they do make sweeping changes to things like classes, that there'll be web-enhancements released with a summary of those changes, for the disenfranchised.

I personally think its much ado about nothing.
 

Personally I think its a scam to make money. Wotc should post all changes clarifications and extras on their website. Saving us, the gamers, $90.
Its not like someone could play the game with out the original books and use the content of the website to play for free. For most of us we already spent atleast $60 and for others much more. For those of you comparing entertainment costs, did you not see a movie because you played the game? You more than likely will still spend the $8-$10 on a movie you would like to see. Therefore you aren't saving the money by purchasing the books instead of going to a movie.
I thought RPGer's were sensible people. Most products, when not properly working are recalled and a new product is sent out. Why won't WOTC do just that? If its to big of an expense, why change it?
You more than likely work hard for you money, right? Don't throw it away to have the latest and greatest. I say we stand together and tell Wotc to stop rippin' us off. Don't consume the corperate BS. Save your money and buy something you actually need. Like more dice, pencils, paper and caffeine.

Ahh who am I kiddin'...see ya at the stores in july. (I'll be window shopping though.)
:(
 

Man, the D&D core books are SUPER EXPENSIVE! I wrestle with my kids in the living room and it's totally free to do so. That means playing D&D is an infinite number of times as costly, since it seems to have been established that we can compare man-hours of various leisure time activities on a quid pro quo basis. What a rip off gaming is.

;)
 

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