would this be evil?

[Tsyr]

It said the politicians daughter. For all we know she to could be a growen women and not so innocent.

Why do you keep saying they hit an innocent child?

Even disregarding child, she was innocent in this situation. She could be the Mass Murderer and Tortuerer of Children of Chesterfield, for all I care, because in this situation, she was innocent of any wrongdoing, by all evidence we have been presented.

 

[Bonedagger]

You're doing some serious acrobatics to try and characterise theire actions as anything but evil.

Actually I'm making the possibility that they maybe where not evil.

These characters were not akin to Lennie in Of Mice and Men (as in they were not simpletons not capable of understanding their actions). If they were, this whole discussion is meaningless.

The question is if they where capable of misunderstanding the consequences of their actions

 

[Bonedagger]

Even disregarding child, she was innocent in this situation. She could be the Mass Murderer and Tortuerer of Children of Chesterfield, for all I care, because in this situation, she was innocent of any wrongdoing, by all evidence we have been presented.

But it does change the picture of that the characters was not so evil as you first made them out to be. No?

Trying to subdue an adult with an improvised blunding tool doesn't paint the picture of a murder. An irresponsible person yes. (Edit: It is not something normally associated with being deadly)

 

[Tsyr]

But it does change the picture of that the characters was not so evil as you first made them out to be. No?

No. It doesn't change the picture.

Trying to subdue an adult with an improvised blunding tool doesn't paint the picture of a murder. An irresponsible person yes.

Yes, it does. Read my second-to-the-last-not-counting-this-one post for my feeling on that subject.

 

[Wormwood]

Trying to subdue an adult with an improvised blunding tool doesn't paint the picture of a murder. An irresponsible person yes.

You keep glossing over the fact that the victim was abducted, bound and gagged.

Also, the term 'subdue' in this case means 'they clubbed her skull with a metal bar'. They may not have intended her to die, but they showed no qualms about striking a helpless female.

Loathsome.

Honestly, they are villains.

 

[Wormwood]

I'm done.

Let Judge Ito sort the rest of this thread out.

Fantastic troll.

 

[Bonedagger]

Tsyr.

Well as I said the word "kidnapping" as opposed to retainment implies that it was wrong. But then Balgus would already have answered his own question. Therefore I kind of assumed that word should not be taken litteraly.

It is also in that spirit that I try and judge the rest of his story.

What we know is:

One guy stole - Wrong? maybe

His friends tried to free him by using a hostage (That's all we know) - Wrong? Depend on the first answer and/or the hostages involment in the situation.

The killing: Is it the intention or the result that make an action evil? I would say the intention therefore I say the killing was not evil. As I have pointed out it should be punnished however.

 

[Bonedagger]

You keep glossing over the fact that the victim was abducted, bound and gagged.

Also, the term 'subdue' in this case means 'they clubbed her skull with a metal bar'. They may not have intended her to die, but they showed no qualms about striking a helpless female.

Loathsome.

Honestly, they are villains.

She was not bound and gagged when he hit her.

 

[Tsyr]

She was not bound and gagged when he hit her.

Bound, yes. This is infered from the fact that she had to "wriggle free" of her gag. You don't generaly "wriggle free" if you aren't bound.

 

[Bonedagger]

Tsyr.

Well as I said the word "kidnapping" as opposed to retainment implies that it was wrong. But then Balgus would already have answered his own question. Therefore I kind of assumed that that word should not be taken litteraly.

It is also in that spirit that I try and judge the rest of his story.

What we know is:

One guy stole - Wrong? maybe

His friends tried to free him by using a hostage (That's all we know) - Wrong? Depend on the first answer and/or the hostages involment in the situation.

The killing: Is it the intention or the result that make an action evil? I would say the intention therefore I say the killing was not evil. As I have pointed out it should be punnished however.

I think this post pretty much tell my view on this. I'll leave this one now.