Pathfinder 1E Would you allow a plant in a pot to be used for Entangle?

[N'raac]

So carry a potted cactus or rose bush to always have plants with thorns. If a potted plant does the trick in a plant-free area, a rose bush should add thorns to the entire area, right?

I think if I were even close to allowing it, I would require the plant (wherever you threw it) be the center of the spell's area. That may make throwing it a little more challenging, especially if we're going with that full 40' area being Entangled!

 

[Wiseblood]

Let me preface this with I hate druids and that spell. (just so you know there's a bit of bias) That is a horrendous munchkin bag of rats scenario.

 

[Squire James]

There's a lot of earlier-edition material that very clearly indicates that that lots of plants had to be present, so there is a lot of precedent for not letting a single potted plant fulfill that need. One person's "creative" is another person's "someone tried the same trick 2 editions ago and it didn't work then either!"

My mental image is one of that poor, pitiful plant trying its best to wrap its thin, easily-severable stalk around the ferocious monster and perhaps providing a fraction of a second's distraction before its brutal demise. Magic may not be entirely logical, but it follows many of logic's rules. For instance, Create Water does a decent job getting something to become wet. A Fireball is hot.

Aside from ridiculous levels of comedy, I don't see this as a sufficiently creative solution.

 

[underfoot007ct]

If a DM is not a fan of creativity then his players can't help it I guess. I OTOH am open-minded and promote creative use of abilities.

In this line of creativity, a group of low level casters could kill almost anything by casting that zero-level create water in all the monsters lungs. One round everything drowns.

Does that make any more sense? There is huge difference between 'creativity' and munchkin/cheese, I think this goes way beyond, IMHO.

 

[Starbuck_II]

In this line of creativity, a group of low level casters could kill almost anything by casting that zero-level create water in all the monsters lungs. One round everything drowns.

Does that make any more sense? There is huge difference between 'creativity' and munchkin/cheese, I think this goes way beyond, IMHO.

2E allowed it. It made sense. 3.X made sure to say can't.

 

[N'raac]

2E allowed it. It made sense. 3.X made sure to say can't.

Some GM's in 2e allowed it. Most, and most players, recognized this was beyond any reasonable power level for the spell, and therefore disallowed it. Some players were even clever enough to realize that, if they could do that, so could their opponents, and maybe a game where everyone uses L1 clerics as deadly assassin/bodyguards wasn't the one they wanted.