WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[LordEntrails]

I mean the fact you're outright stating you consider the theft good because the ends justify the means and that you don't care about the people who have been harmed says all that needs to be said.

There you go ignoring what I actually said. At no point have I said theft was good or acceptable or passed any moral or ethical judgement on it (in this thread). (In fact, often on these boards I said IP theft is wrong.) I said that from a practical perspective it doesn't matter if AI stole or not.

I gave a specific example of a technology that was developed for bad and arguable evil intentions. Yet that technology did not go away because of moral outrage. And humans have turned that technology into very beneficial products.

AI technology is here to stay. It's not NFTs or such. It is a valuable and significant technology that has many uses. Some of them good, some of them bad. It will result in job loss. So what are practical steps those who will be affected can take to minimize the harm they experience?

 

[Necropolitan]

So what are practical steps those who will be affected can take to minimize the harm they experience?

No, AI developers should stop engaging in theft to train AIs.

Stop victim-blaming.

 

[LordEntrails]

No, AI developers should stop engaging in theft to train AIs.

Stop victim-blaming.

No. I'm not victim blaming and what has already been done has been done. It will be decided in courts of law whether it was illegal or not and whether it will continue or not. Whether it was ethical or not will not help any artists who lose their jobs because of the new technology.

But apparently you don't care enough to lessen the harm to artists with any practical solutions. You do you. I will still seek ways to lessen the harm.

 

[Umbran]

But if you actually care about changing it, then have you done anything practical?

Mod Note:
Hey. Don't make this personal. Address the content of the post, not the person of the poster.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Sure, but wouldn't you want to be healed by a doctor that also spends time teaching medicine at John Hopkins or Mayo Clinic?

Those doctors are teaching because they’ve already learned a great deal about their profession and ALSO because they keep practicing & learning. They didn’t just go from med school into teaching; they didn’t stop practicing when they became teachers.

My dad is a MD. One of his friends/colleagues is one of the fathers of reproductive endocrinology. His retirement party included a “who’s who” of current practitioners in the field. My father’s own mentor (in a different specialty) was pretty much globally known because of the groundbreaking work before becoming a teacher.

I’m an attorney. Every last one of my profs (at a top 10-20 ranked school, depending on year) was still in active practice. My civil procedure prof was actually the law school’s primary litigator.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

Here, I Googled it for you; Top 10 Ethical AI Companies Leading the Industry. And no, I won't discuss if any of those actually are. It's not really relevant.

They are the top 10 most ethical "ai" companies but they are far from ethical.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

Is this the same "they" that "we" so conveniently blame for everything?

But, from a practical point it doesn't matter. Nuclear technology was founded in tragedy if not downright evil intentions. Yet today it benefits the human race tremendously. Energy & medicine might be the two most significant. But the understanding of atoms and nuclear processes are required for the IC's that are at the heart of all of today's computers. It has also led to our understanding of the universe etc.

Good can, and often does, come from bad. IMO, it is what humans do to show that they can triumph over adversity.

It is the they that chose to steal rather than compensate the creators when deciding how they wanted to build the tool.

Make no mistake this was a choice not an accident. If you choose to ignore this fact so be it, but it doesn't change the very foundation "ai" was built on.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Why is a creative skill any different than any other skill?

It isn’t. Many skills requiring a big investment in time to learn have formal or informal safeguards for its practitioners to make money.

MDs have laws making it illegal to practice without a license and control over licensing bodies. Lawyers have much the same. Sports have a high entry bar of proficiency for getting into the levels that pay.

And IP creators have copyright.

 

[The Firebird]

It isn’t. Many skills requiring a big investment in time to learn have formal or informal safeguards for its practitioners to make money.

MDs have laws making it illegal to practice without a license and control over licensing bodies. Lawyers have much the same. Sports have a high entry bar of proficiency for getting into the levels that pay.

And IP creators have copyright.

I wouldn't put sports in the same category. Really they are the opposite; there is not much legal structure at all. But the competitive and objective nature of the activity makes it very easy to gauge relative skill.

Licensing is for when it's hard for most customers to gauge skill. It serves an important role. It's also been criticized as a way to control and restrict competition. The proliferation of PAs and NPs, for example.

In any case these are legal structures, not ethical ones. And there is a need to clarify or impose IP law appropriately for the new use cases of AI.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I wouldn't put sports in the same category. Really they are the opposite; there is not much legal structure at all.

That’s why I noted “informal” safeguards existed.

It's also been criticized as a way to control and restrict competition.

There’s a reason why admission to the practice of law requires passing a “bar” exam.

I’ll note, though, that attorneys like me, CPAs and similar fields need only demonstrate proficiency in written exams. The ones in medical/dental fields usually involve practical demonstrations, and those can be quite subjective.

An MD cousin of mine married a dentist who was trying to get licensed in Texas with an out of state degree. With only minutes to go in his practical, he was rejected and had to wait an additional year to test again. (I’ll tell you that I never particularly liked him, but I have nothing but respect for his professional skills.)