WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[The Firebird]

That’s why I noted “informal” safeguards existed.

Hmm. An informal safeguard seems to me to be a norm, like "we choose to buy from local restaurants because we like how they source, despite being more expensive". Not formal.

Or, "our sports league tends to hire players from our state, despite not being required to, because we want to develop talent here".

Whereas in major league sports, "we hire whoever is most skilled", isn't a safeguard. It doesn't protect people who spend time acquiring skills in a meaningful way.

Do you mean it differently?

 

[Umbran]

It isn’t. Many skills requiring a big investment in time to learn have formal or informal safeguards for its practitioners to make money.

MDs have laws making it illegal to practice without a license and control over licensing bodies. Lawyers have much the same. Sports have a high entry bar of proficiency for getting into the levels that pay.

And IP creators have copyright.

Eh. Licensing for professional services has a role in consumer protection as large, or larger, than in protecting the investment in becoming a practitioner. It has the effect of protecting that investment, but I don't know if I'd call that a primary goal of licensing.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Eh. Licensing for professional services has a role in consumer protection as large, or larger, than in protecting the investment in becoming a practitioner. It has the effect of protecting that investment, but I don't know if I'd call that a primary goal of licensing.

I can tell you from the standpoint of the history legal profession that the protection of customers was at best a co-equal goal in creating state bars. To this day, bar exams are protectionist.

The clearest example I can think of is Texas’ Short Form Bar Exam. Ostensibly, it is a courtesy extended to licensed attorneys from other states seeking admission to the Texas Bar. It’s a shorter alternative option to taking the regular bar exam.

In the many decades that Texas has offered the SFBE, nobody has ever passed it. IOW, it’s an outright trap.

 

[Umbran]

I can tell you from the standpoint of the history legal profession that the protection of customers was at best a co-equal goal in creating state bars. To this day, bar exams are protectionist.

The clearest example I can think of is Texas’ Short Form Bar Exam. Ostensibly, it is a courtesy extended to licensed attorneys from other states seeking admission to the Texas Bar. It’s a shorter alternative option to taking the regular bar exam.

In the many decades that Texas has offered the SFBE, nobody has ever passed it. IOW, it’s an outright trap.

Texas, however... is Texas. The state's just ornery. Like, that's how they roll for everything.

For veterinarians, too. If you didn't go to Vet School in Texas, getting past their licensing exams are difficult, mostly because they include esoteric questions that Texas schools know to teach to, while other schools don't.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Texas, however... is Texas. The state's just ornery. Like, that's how they roll for everything.

For veterinarians, too. If you didn't go to Vet School in Texas, getting past their licensing exams are difficult, mostly because they include esoteric questions that Texas schools know to teach to, while other schools don't.

Texas is that, no question, but it’s not alone. Other states have “courtesy” bars that aren’t exactly what they seem. But Texas is like that across all professional associations. Dating back at least to when I started in law, the lawyers & CPAs in this state have been trading blows over whose licensing exams are the toughest to pass.

Every jurisdiction is unique, however. A few states let anyone admitted to any American state bar admission to theirs upon request. Wisconsin apparently admits you automatically if you graduated from an in-state law school. And DC has been using work experience as a substitute for portions of its bar, from what I understand.

 

[Umbran]

... Dating back at least to when I started in law, the lawyers & CPAs in this state have been trading blows over whose licensing exams are the toughest to pass.

For vet med, as I understand it, it isn't that the test is hard, in an general way. It is hard in a coded way. Texas grads are effectively given a key, others aren't.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

For vet med, as I understand it, it isn't that the test is hard, in a general way. It is hard in a coded way. Texas grads are effectively given a key, others aren't.

I don’t know the particulars, but there might be solid reasons for that. Maybe there’s stuff seen frequently down here that isn’t nearly as common elsewhere.

Analogously, the state bars of Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana- all major oil-producing/refining states- emphasize Oil & Gas law. You’re guaranteed at least one major question on the topic.

Accordingly, almost all of the schools in those states make O&G a required or heavily recommended course.

You come from a state without that kind of connection and haven’t brushed up on it in a prep course or individual research, and you’re probably not going to pass.

 

[Faolyn]

So we should ban all artists that are inspired by other artists, and whose brain elaborates informations they get from other people’s work. 90% of artists should be banned then…

No, but you should learn how creativity and inspiration work and how they're completely different from how generative AI works.

 

[Umbran]

I don’t know the particulars, but there might be solid reasons for that. Maybe there’s stuff seen frequently down here that isn’t nearly as common elsewhere.

I can only speak wot what I am told, which is that isn't the case. Texas may be special in many ways, but their animals don't get sick in ways not seen in Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Arkansas...

 

[Lanefan]

being inspired by is not the same as what AI does, at all

I'm not so sure about that.

I might hear a song on the radio and think "Hey, that's a cool sound they've got" and in effect 'scrape' that sound such that when I next get together with some guys to play tunes I'll try to incorporate that sound into what we're doing. Ditto if a song's lyrics contain a good line, I 'scrape' it and build on it later (hopefully in a different direction than the song in which I first heard it!).