WTF is "cold iron", and why's it so special?
alleynbard
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<quote>Unfortunately this means that it is fallacious to say that iron is forged at a lower temperature than steel.</quote>
And its fallacious to say that is exactly what is being stated. What is being said is, in D&D (which remarkably is nothing like our own medieval period) cold iron is a type of iron forged and shaped at a lower temperature. Whether magic is involved or if this involves alternate smelting techniques is entirely up the DM. Overthinking the subject is pointless and not the thrust of this discussion.
And its fallacious to say that is exactly what is being stated. What is being said is, in D&D (which remarkably is nothing like our own medieval period) cold iron is a type of iron forged and shaped at a lower temperature. Whether magic is involved or if this involves alternate smelting techniques is entirely up the DM. Overthinking the subject is pointless and not the thrust of this discussion.
PapersAndPaychecks
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*shrug*
Just trying to offer a view of the subject that deals with the awkward questions.
You're the DM, you can have special metal dug out of the deep earth, smelted via an unspecified magical technique and then forged at special low temperatures if you find it preferable; I'm merely pointing out an answer that feels more elegant to me.
Just trying to offer a view of the subject that deals with the awkward questions.
You're the DM, you can have special metal dug out of the deep earth, smelted via an unspecified magical technique and then forged at special low temperatures if you find it preferable; I'm merely pointing out an answer that feels more elegant to me.
dravot
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My favorite fact about iron, as learned in astronomy class in college, back in the day: the atomic fusion process starts with 2 hydrogen atoms fusing into helium, and continues upward through the elemental table until you get to iron. The atomic fission process starts with uranium and move downward, splitting off atoms...until you get to iron.
And iron is anathema to fey. Freaky.
And iron is anathema to fey. Freaky.
Kid Charlemagne
I am the Very Model of a Modern Moderator
It's important on this subject to differentiate between "real life" and "D&D."
As others have said, in real life, cold iron is merely iron.
Not sure where that comes from - that is how medieval smelting techniques prouce steel, but it certainly doesn't preclude the production of iron. The way it happens is that the longer you work the iron, the more carbon gets introduced until you get steel.
Here is a great link on the subject.
In D&D, Cold Iron is a specific form of metal, with a different method of forging. My personal feeling is that this explanation makes little or no sense. Iron melts when iron melts.
In my game, Cold Iron is iron taken from meteoric iron - hence nearly pure, then smelted into form. This was not unheard of in ancient days - Tutenkhamen had an iron dagger in his tomb, and it was probably made from meteoric iron, and hence one of the most valuable items in the hoard. I prefer this solution to the standard ruling.
Why not just have it be regular iron? Because, as Piratecat said to me when I broached the subject a couple of years ago while designing my campaign world and looking for advice, "It's more fun that way." Making strange weapons out of strange stuff is cool, and that's enough reason.
As others have said, in real life, cold iron is merely iron.
Not sure where that comes from - that is how medieval smelting techniques prouce steel, but it certainly doesn't preclude the production of iron. The way it happens is that the longer you work the iron, the more carbon gets introduced until you get steel.
Here is a great link on the subject.
In D&D, Cold Iron is a specific form of metal, with a different method of forging. My personal feeling is that this explanation makes little or no sense. Iron melts when iron melts.
In my game, Cold Iron is iron taken from meteoric iron - hence nearly pure, then smelted into form. This was not unheard of in ancient days - Tutenkhamen had an iron dagger in his tomb, and it was probably made from meteoric iron, and hence one of the most valuable items in the hoard. I prefer this solution to the standard ruling.
Why not just have it be regular iron? Because, as Piratecat said to me when I broached the subject a couple of years ago while designing my campaign world and looking for advice, "It's more fun that way." Making strange weapons out of strange stuff is cool, and that's enough reason.
Kid Charlemagne
I am the Very Model of a Modern Moderator
BTW, using my theory of cold iron (meteoric iron) the explanation I would give for why it works better against Fey would be its magical (metal from the gods!) and natural (doesn't need to be seperated from other metals!) connections cause it to be more dangerous - rather than being utterly anti-fey, it's dangerous because of its similarities, like kryptonite to Superman.
PapersAndPaychecks
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Kid Charlemagne said:
*grins*
It's more complex than this, but I'm disinclined to argue metallurgy any further for fear of getting lynched.
billd91
Not your screen monkey (he/him)
The way I play it, cold iron is pretty much plain iron and not steel (negligible carbon content and no other explicit alloying other than remnant impurities). It's not as durable as steel and thus not as useful for general purposes, but relatively quick and easy to make on special order because it takes less time and heat than steel.
Of course, that's as far as specific materials rules go. People still use the term 'cold iron' colloquially to refer to just about any old blade. But then, most people in the campaign are ignorant of the specifics of the blacksmith trade...
Of course, that's as far as specific materials rules go. People still use the term 'cold iron' colloquially to refer to just about any old blade. But then, most people in the campaign are ignorant of the specifics of the blacksmith trade...
Tinner
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I've played a LOT of Changeling: the Dreaming, where Cold Iron also is a fae's worst nightmare. AFAIK "Cold Iron" = Cast Iron.
It's not so much how the metal is smelted as how it is cast.
Cast Iron is melted, then poured into a mold, then shaped further from there. Cold Iron weapons are softer, and more brittle than steel weapons, or "worked" iron weapons that are hammered into shape.
The cold/cast iron is more "natural" than the worked iron that has been beaten into shape by man's hands.
YMMV.
It's not so much how the metal is smelted as how it is cast.
Cast Iron is melted, then poured into a mold, then shaped further from there. Cold Iron weapons are softer, and more brittle than steel weapons, or "worked" iron weapons that are hammered into shape.
The cold/cast iron is more "natural" than the worked iron that has been beaten into shape by man's hands.
YMMV.
frankthedm
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Tinner said:
Yeah, thats the one i use.
I like the idea of a character splating a pixie with a frying pan. Ranks up there with giving a lycantrope a silver goblet suppository.
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