WWII Minis game?
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Ogrork the Mighty said:
The D&D minis are roughly 28mm, so the new A&A figs will be about half of the size. If you need 28mm WWII figs go to http://theminiaturespage.com/ there are literaly dozens of companies that make them.
A lot of the questions posed here are answered in this ENWorld thread:
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=131502
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=131502
The_Gunslinger658
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Hi
I would like to recommend Advanced Squad Leader, but it seems that MMP whom own the rights to the game have let it fall by the wayside. ASL is a great game of armor and infantry combat but with most of its modules out of print, the only way to get ahold of any AsL materiel is to go to eBay and that can be very expensive.
OTOH
There is Critical Hits Advanced Tobruk System which is pretty darn good and gets lots of support from the parent company:
http://www.criticalhit.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=8fd92b0c148c01ef7365092ec07c557a
Scott
I would like to recommend Advanced Squad Leader, but it seems that MMP whom own the rights to the game have let it fall by the wayside. ASL is a great game of armor and infantry combat but with most of its modules out of print, the only way to get ahold of any AsL materiel is to go to eBay and that can be very expensive.
OTOH
There is Critical Hits Advanced Tobruk System which is pretty darn good and gets lots of support from the parent company:
http://www.criticalhit.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=8fd92b0c148c01ef7365092ec07c557a
Scott
Pramas
Explorer
A few repsonses:
1. There are some previews up for Axis and Allies Miniatures. They are providing way more historical detail than I would have thought:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/article/ah200506107b
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/article/ah20050603a
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/article/ah20050610a
2. Memoir '44 is a great quickie boardgame for WWII action. It uses the same system as Battle Cry, Avalon Hill's Civil War game of a few years ago.
3. Flames of War is a more traditional minis game, but it's also cool. Really nice looking books and good figs too. If I can ever afford to take a vacation, I might finish assembling my DAK army.
4. It is odd that MMP let the ASL rules fall out of print, though it seems most of the modules are still available off their website. ASL is pretty much the polar opposite of Memoir '44 but it's fun in a different way.
5. Can you see why Mona tapped me to design V for Victory?
1. There are some previews up for Axis and Allies Miniatures. They are providing way more historical detail than I would have thought:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/article/ah200506107b
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/article/ah20050603a
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/article/ah20050610a
2. Memoir '44 is a great quickie boardgame for WWII action. It uses the same system as Battle Cry, Avalon Hill's Civil War game of a few years ago.
3. Flames of War is a more traditional minis game, but it's also cool. Really nice looking books and good figs too. If I can ever afford to take a vacation, I might finish assembling my DAK army.
4. It is odd that MMP let the ASL rules fall out of print, though it seems most of the modules are still available off their website. ASL is pretty much the polar opposite of Memoir '44 but it's fun in a different way.
5. Can you see why Mona tapped me to design V for Victory?
Shadowdancer
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Battle of Kursk recreation, here I come!
pogre
Legend
Watched Flames of War played this Winter at a convention with a couple of august designers Frank Chadwick and Greg Novak. If you don't know who they are, take my word for it - they have designed a LOT of miniatures and war games. I asked their opinions of the game and it very much mirrors my own - it is a great game for folks first getting into WWII.
For you grognards though it might have some "gamey" aspects that don't sit well. By "gamey" I mean tactics available or that are attractive in the game that would be counterproductive or suicidal on the battlefield. Still we all agreed the game is very attractive and is a boon for the hobby. We saw a lot of 40K folks picking it up.
I'll certainly be picking up a bushel load of these minis though. I enjoy playing WW2 games, just hate painting tanks - a perfect fit for me!
For you grognards though it might have some "gamey" aspects that don't sit well. By "gamey" I mean tactics available or that are attractive in the game that would be counterproductive or suicidal on the battlefield. Still we all agreed the game is very attractive and is a boon for the hobby. We saw a lot of 40K folks picking it up.
I'll certainly be picking up a bushel load of these minis though. I enjoy playing WW2 games, just hate painting tanks - a perfect fit for me!
Pramas said:
Well, traditional in the sense that the minis come unpainted and sometimes unassembled. Rules-wise FOW plays a lot like GW's games, which is a bit of a departure from WWII minis... those often err more on the side of realism than playability. Also, you can go to an FOW tournament and witness Desert Rats Commonwealth forces battling it out with Stalingrad-era Soviets, so there's not quite the same weight given to recreating historical engagements as in traditional WWII gaming. But it is a lot of fun.
Just correcting some terriible misinformation:
As Tabby well knows, since he's been told this approximately 5 billion times at last count, MMP don't "own" ASL; they pay an annual fee to Hasbro for the licence to produce official ASL material.
If regularly producing new products for a game system counts as "letting it fall by the wayside", then I suppose this is true. However, most reasonable people see it differently.
Some of the modules are indeed out of print; two of them will be coming back into print within a matter of a couple of months at most. It is true that some of the other modules are likely to remain out of print for some time, however. This is basically the result of a small company trying to maintain a large line of products. It's not desirable, certainly, but steps are being taken to improve things.
The only way to get ahold of some of the ASL material ....
This part is true.
I'm sorry to have to make a post like this here, but since Tabby is bipolar and cycles through his "I hate MMP and ASL/I love MMP and ASL" phases, he regularly spews out an incredible amount of misinformation, confusion and outright lies. You don't have to believe me (I have no official association with MMP, but I have a long unofficial association with ASL); check out the MMP customer support forum on ConsimWorld for the accurate poop.
Of course, none of the above has any thing to do with WOTC's new WW2 miniatures line.
Doomed Battalions said:
As Tabby well knows, since he's been told this approximately 5 billion times at last count, MMP don't "own" ASL; they pay an annual fee to Hasbro for the licence to produce official ASL material.
Doomed Battalions said:
If regularly producing new products for a game system counts as "letting it fall by the wayside", then I suppose this is true. However, most reasonable people see it differently.
Doomed Battalions said:
Some of the modules are indeed out of print; two of them will be coming back into print within a matter of a couple of months at most. It is true that some of the other modules are likely to remain out of print for some time, however. This is basically the result of a small company trying to maintain a large line of products. It's not desirable, certainly, but steps are being taken to improve things.
Doomed Battalions said:
The only way to get ahold of some of the ASL material ....
Doomed Battalions said:
This part is true.
I'm sorry to have to make a post like this here, but since Tabby is bipolar and cycles through his "I hate MMP and ASL/I love MMP and ASL" phases, he regularly spews out an incredible amount of misinformation, confusion and outright lies. You don't have to believe me (I have no official association with MMP, but I have a long unofficial association with ASL); check out the MMP customer support forum on ConsimWorld for the accurate poop.
Of course, none of the above has any thing to do with WOTC's new WW2 miniatures line.
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