YB2 Dojo Structures. (Question for Wicht and others)

[Phoenix8008]

Wicht, got a question for you that I can't completely get a grip on from the rules as written.

Kith is a Green Belt-1 with 3 students in her dojo.

Most of them are probably going to hit Green belt before she can get to Brown. What happens to her dojo then? I know that they can start their own dojos and accept students, but would they still be comsidered part of Kith's dojo or not? If not, then do they have to follow the rules for leaving the dojo (burning the bridge by giving up the style they learned from Kith)? Or does Kith somehow become a teacher of teachers? If they pass her in rank, then does she automatically stop being their teacher? What happens if she hits Brown belt again after they have hit Green?

I know this area was to be more free form than before, but these situations have just started becoming possible, so I thought I better get some clarification soon.

Thanks for any help.

 

[Wicht]

#1 A person can only teach a dojo style to someone of a lower tier.

#2 As soon as any student increases a tier so that their dojo style becomes a signature style they are forever after in the teachers "dojo structure" regardless of whether they take on a different teacher for a different dojo style.

#3 This is only important for those who rise high enough to be able to benefit from having a dojo structure.

#4 A dojo master can only use the sig styles of any in his dojo structure of a lower rank than he.

Using the above guidelines I think most situations should be covered.

 

[Phoenix8008]

#1 A person can only teach a dojo style to someone of a lower tier.

I understood this and it's not a problem.

#2 As soon as any student increases a tier so that their dojo style becomes a signature style they are forever after in the teachers "dojo structure" regardless of whether they take on a different teacher for a different dojo style.

So if they don't quit her dojo before gaining their Green belt, then they are froevermore a student of Kith's dojo as long as it exists regardless of their rank compared to hers?

#3 This is only important for those who rise high enough to be able to benefit from having a dojo structure.

What question of mine was this answer in reference to please?

#4 A dojo master can only use the sig styles of any in his dojo structure of a lower rank than he.

Also already understood and not a problem since no one is near to getting Dojo Master yet.

 

[Vanor]

So if they don't quit her dojo before gaining their Green belt, then they are froevermore a student of Kith's dojo as long as it exists regardless of their rank compared to hers?

Well I'd say they're linked to Kith's dojo, but may or may not be a student of hers.

And I think #3 was just a FWI for future referance. So lets say that a student of Kith gets to be a black belt, and Kith also gets to that level, then the dojo master stuff would apply to that fighter, even though they weren't "students" of Kith anymore.

 

[Phoenix8008]

Okay, but is being linked enough to have them count in the dojo's battle record? Under the description of Dojo Style it says this in reference to the dojo gaining a dishonorable record: "If the Teachers dojo structure (meaning the teacher and all under her or under her students) gains a dishonorable record"...etc

This seems to be the definition for a dojo structure. Kith has been a teacher to three students so far, but they will soon not be "under her" any more. Your suggestion of being linked does not clear up this conundrum for me. From what Wicht said, since Kith was once their teacher (higher tier giving sig. style to lower tier as dojo style), they will always be a part of her dojo structure unless they volunteer to leave it. And If they open their own dojo's then all the students they have are also part of Kith's dojo structure (teacher and all under her or under her students) by extension?

I guess it really comes down to the distinction between current teacher and former teacher for me and how this is not spelled out in the rules. Unless it really is as simple as once a teacher of a fighter, always a teacher of that fighter unless they leave you by choice. That would seem to be the easiest interpertation of the rules for me. This would mean of course that all my students and their students (and maybe further down the line than this?) will forever count toward Kith's dojo battle record? Is this right?

 

[Wicht]

I'm sorry, let me explain better. The above four guidelines are the answer to your question though perhaps not directly.

How you want to run your dojo is completely up to you in regards to titles, dojo ranks, IC interaction, etc.

How your dojo structure is affected by the rules is subject to the listed four guidelines.

Lets use a specific example

One of your students gains their green belt and hits their brown belt before you, but you soon pass them and hit black belt before them and then gain dojo master first.

How you want to run that as part of your IC dojo is up to you. You could pretend (its all pretend right ) that they have left your dojo and passed you in skill. In humility you went to them to learn and then eventually rose above them again until once more you were master. That part doesn't matter rules wise but I think its what you are after.

What matters for the rules is that after hitting green belt they were foreverafter one of your dojo structure. They can no longer learn from you while they are of higher or equal tier. But once you gain dojo master, as long as they are of a lower rank you get to use one of their sig styles in a fight.

 

[Wicht]

Just read you last post and see what your real question is now

One more guideline should cover it then.

#5 A fighters victories and losses are only added to their dojo record so long as they are of a lower rank than the head of their dojo.

 

[Phoenix8008]

Bingo! Nailed it! Thanks alot Wicht. I think that covers it all now.

 

[Phoenix8008]

Oops, almost done. I can assume by extrapolation then that if (for example) Darkwolf becomes a Green Belt-0 and gets a student in his dojo that he opens, both Darkwolf and his student would count toward Kith's dojo battle record UNTIL Darkwolf gained an equal or greater rank than Kith at which time Darkwolf AND any students he has would not count toward her dojo record again, right? (You already said Darkwolf wouldn't in this case, but I'm asking specifically about his students now. Is it based on their ranks or their teacher's rank? I think it should be based on their teachers rank since they would only want to learn from the better teacher.)

But then to start them counting toward her dojo record again, does Kith just have to get to a higher rank than Darkwolf again, or does she have to be a tier higher again and have him learn another dojo style from her?

Almost done with these questions, I'm sure.

 

[Vanor]

I would say it would be based on tier and not just ranks with in a tier.

A green 0 can not learn a dojo style from a green 1 (I don't think).

So any students of Darkwolf, would be his students, and wouldn't count to Kith's battle record, until Kith got her brown belt.