Your favourite level to PLAY at?
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Psion
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S'mon said:Compared to most RPGs or to real-world legends, a Wiz-6 certainly does wield phenomenal arcane power. You're just jaded.
A wizard who can't teleport doesn't wield "phenominal arcane power" to me.
What are you on about, anyways? Are you trying to "prove my tastes are wrong"?
If 6th level liches work for you, then fine. I'm just saying, they don't approximate the concept for me. I want my liches to be Voldemort, not Draco Malfoy.
Psion said:A wizard who can't teleport doesn't wield "phenominal arcane power" to me.
What are you on about, anyways? Are you trying to "prove my tastes are wrong"?
If 6th level liches work for you, then fine. I'm just saying, they don't approximate the concept for me. I want my liches to be Voldemort, not Draco Malfoy.
(Gandalf can't teleport...
) ...I'm just saying that a GM can have demons & liches & any other "cool" monsters at much lower levels than you state, say 6th, although it could be 4th or 8th. Running 1e, I certainly did. Hell, you can let 6th level liches teleport if you want. You're not wrong, just a bit too bound to the current 3e assumptions re what monsters appear at what levels. If I want eg a CR 4 Vrock I can convert the 1e MM vrock to 3e at CR 4 in less time than it takes me to create many NPCs in 3e's standard rules.
Psion
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S'mon said:(Gandalf can't teleport...
Come now. A dragon long ago demonstrated that Gandalf was a 5th level magic user.
If there are only a dozen mages in the world, a 6th level mage is something to be impressed by. But in my game, it's not that way.
3e is the game we are talking about here. You seem to be speaking of some variant of 3e that I don't play. In 3e, teleport is a 5th level spell, something you need to be a 9th level character to cast.
That's nice... but it wouldn't be a vrock to me. It would be "s'mon's vrock" or a "mock vrock"
. And it would be about as tough as an ogre. And would be fighting the same characters as I would have fighting ogres. For me, demons and liches are what you fight once you have graduated from ogres.Again, not saying your power schema might not work for you, but it's just not my power schema. I have the same argument on the other end with people who feel that figures from myth and folklore (and since you bring up Gandalf, literature) need to be 25th+ level. To me, 3e defines what characters can do at certain levels, and my expectation of the power of liches and King Arthur and Gandalf are not on that scale.
Psion said:That's nice... but it wouldn't be a vrock to me. It would be "s'mon's vrock" or a "mock vrock"
If everyone prefers to play at levels 5-8 then I see no reason to deny them that experience when I DM. D&D defines what a Vrock is but Savage Species also has a monster class progression for the Vrock that makes it a possible villain for PCs at a lower level as well.
If the story demands demons and liches but the players prefer to play levels 5-8 then I'll change the rules before I force the players to change. This is a pretty good example where the rules should serve the story and not vice versa. Weakening demons and liches a little is easier to do in D&D than rewriting the entire game to make levels 12+ more fun. Your mileage may vary.
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You could use a vrock using a monster class progression that it just hasn't finished yet. (Maybe it's a new vrock or lost some levels to whatever.)Psion said:That's nice... but it wouldn't be a vrock to me. It would be "s'mon's vrock" or a "mock vrock"
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