Your Feelings on Dungeon/Poly

What are your feelings on the Content of the mixed Dungeon/Poly

  • I like both the Dungeon and Poly content

    Votes: 58 32.8%
  • I like the Dungeon content, and am indifferent to Poly

    Votes: 44 24.9%
  • I like the Dungeon, but wish to see the Poly Content removed

    Votes: 37 20.9%
  • I like the Poly content, and am indifferent to the Dungeon content

    Votes: 23 13.0%
  • I like the Poly Content, but wish to see the Dungeon content removed

    Votes: 4 2.3%
  • I like neither the Dungeon nor the Poly content

    Votes: 11 6.2%

I like both. I love the Polyhedron mini games (although I rarely get a chance to play them).

However, I would continue to buy the occasional Dungeon (as I do now) if Polyhedron was dropped.

I like having both in the magazine, but I'd just plum prefer more (complete) adventures.
 

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I am just tired of the subscriber only material, like maps. The teaser map picture didn't really entice me to subscribe, just ticked me off. We need maps of that quality available to everyone (the Wizards maps used to be handy, then got all weird).

hellbender
 


The poll still shows most people either hate Poly and want it removed or don't care about Poly at all, which to me means it might as well not be in there for them, as they don't find it useful. I'm highly skeptical Paizo will take strong enough measures to return Dungeon to its roots; they seem to be enamored of Poly too much. I anticipate band-aids and half-measures that will please no one on either side of the fence, no matter how well-intentioned they might be.

I'm never going to subscribe to any Paizo magazine, that's for sure. IMO, they can't be trusted to 1) give the majority of the readership what it wants and what the magazine was created to give (D&D adventures), 2) to not experiment with various "bait and switch" practices (like subscriber only content) that hurt both newsstand buyers and subscribers, 3) they don't listen, except begrudgingly and late in the game, to any opinion other than their own, making the readership feel aliennated, 4) they don't give you all the maps to the adventures on their wensite, which is difficult to navigate and amateurish in appearance, and 5) most importantly, the quality of the content (both Dragon and Dungeon) has been steadily eroding ever since they took over publication, with very few exceptions.

I don't know of any successful extended "flippy" format "two magazines in one." Maybe if they'd killed Dungeon and Poly and then started a new "flippy" magazine like that it could work, as there would be a different set of expectations involved, rather than what many of us perceive to be the systematic ruination of Dungeon, a beloved and established D&D institution---to make room for nonsense like Hijinx. The majority are being forced to suffer just because Paizo and a small fraction of the readership want to roleplay (frex) Jose & The Pussycats? And Paizo insists on forcing this type material on the readership every month--material that will prove absolutely worthless to the majority of readers! For them not to realize that such repeat conduct is offensive and aliennating is beyond my ability to understand. The new monthly format has virtually destroyed any reason to purchase Dungeon at all, due to the drastically reduced D&D content (issue #100 notwithstanding, though I didn't find that issue useful despite the increased page count).

Erik has promised some pro-D&D changes to Dungeon, but I'm dubious that they will be satisfying to the majority of the readership, or even if the higher-ups at Paizo will allow him to implement them all. Only time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath. :rolleyes:
 

Iron_Chef said:
The poll still shows most people either hate Poly and want it removed or don't care about Poly at all, which to me means it might as well not be in there for them, as they don't find it useful.
At the time I post this, there are 35 that like both. You have 27 that like dungeon and are indifferent to poly, and 11 that like poly and are indifferent to Dungeon.

I'd say by those numbers, you have 73 people that are content with the magazine as is.

You have 27 people that hate Poly.

So, with 73 people that like it as is, and 27 that don't, which way should they go?

Even removing the indiffernt people, you're still 35 to 27. Counting people that are indifferent to Poly as wanting it removed isn't exactly fair.

What's not addressed again in most of these posts is that you don't have the option of Dungeon Only. It's either Dungeon with Poly, or nothing. Dungeon by itself wasn't profitable either from previous statements.
 

Iron_Chef said:
whine whine whine

Maybe I'm just tired and slightly angry, but I just can't stand this any more. I am not singling out mr. Chef here. Anyone who doesn't like Dungeon/Polyhedron doesn't have to buy it, period. And if you don't buy it, you have no business complaining about it, either.
 

Robbert Raets said:


Maybe I'm just tired and slightly angry, but I just can't stand this any more. I am not singling out mr. Chef here. Anyone who doesn't like Dungeon/Polyhedron doesn't have to buy it, period. And if you don't buy it, you have no business complaining about it, either.

Pre-cisely. That's what I did. No longer buy it and no longer complain.
 

Iron_Chef said:
For them not to realize that such repeat conduct is offensive and aliennating is beyond my ability to understand.

I appreciate your opinion (and obviously, judging from my above post, I disagree with it, but that's beside the point), but what kind of gets me a bit irked is statements like this. Maybe it is alienating—that's fair enough. But "offensive?" There are tons of things in this world that are offensive. Paizo publishing mini-games that you will never use (and I doubt I'll ever use Hijinx either—not my bag) or putting out a hybrid d20/D&D magazine in flippy format is not one of them—and if it is, it really shouldn't be.

Best,
tKL
 

Iron_Chef said:
And Paizo insists on forcing this type material on the readership every month--material that will prove absolutely worthless to the majority of readers! For them not to realize that such repeat conduct is offensive and aliennating is beyond my ability to understand. The new monthly format has virtually destroyed any reason to purchase Dungeon at all, due to the drastically reduced D&D content (issue #100 notwithstanding, though I didn't find that issue useful despite the increased page count).

Duuuuuudeeeee....

Offensive? You find Josie and the Pussycats OFFENSIVE? My ghod. If pushing the boundries of the d20 system and providing something to gamers that are looking for something different is offensive, then you may be sensitive to the point of being beyond help.

Get over it dude, no ones forcing you to buy anything. You don't like it, so don't buy it. It's not essential to play the game, and while you may wish that it's to your tastes, it's not, and unlikely to be so again soon. Especially if you found Dungeon #100 useless, given that that was a 100% DnD issue!
 

Iron_Chef said:
Goes to prove my point that Poly lovers are simply a stridently vocal minority whose opinions are not shared by the majority of Dungeon readers.
as of this post, i see approximately 70% of those answering the poll are content with the magazine as it currently stands (either like both, or like one side and are indifferent to the other). i only see a minority (20%) who want Polyhedron removed.

so it appears Iron Chef and the other Poly-haters are the stridently vocal minority. :rolleyes:

keep up the good work, Erik. it appears the majority agree with you after all.
 

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