If they fall, the impact should wake them, therefore, they clearly do not fall.
Name a place where being knocked prone, in and of itself, does damage.
If they fall, the impact should wake them, therefore, they clearly do not fall.
Especially in a fantasy setting, where sleep magic is likely to exist, few worthy opponents can be dispatched easily while sleeping. They simply aren't that feeble.
Sleep spells, also known as "the monster stops defending itself" spells. Are they always 1st-level spells? Why? Should the level be higher?
The fifth edition of Sleep doesn't grant a saving throw, and the target "falls unconscious." That could end the spell pretty quickly, if the target was standing up when it fell asleep. Isn't falling on your face (or worse, your weapon) worth 1 point of damage?
My version of Sleep is a little more gentle on the recipient: "the target lays down and goes to sleep." But both can leave a villain vulnerable to a coup de grace, no?
If they fall, the impact should wake them, therefore, they clearly do not fall.
Yes, that's another reason why magical sleep isn't problematic in this regard. If the victim is so pathetic that they're susceptible to the spell in the first place, then the fight you're bypassing would not have been an interesting one.And that is modeled by how the Sleep spell only handles so many hit points worth of creature - few worthy opponents can be dispatched his way, until you've already spent time beating them to a pulp.
I wouldn't allow Shove Prone. Not in 5e anyway - it goes against the spirit of the game by reintroducing grappling-like rules.Do you rule that being shoved prone also inflicts damage?
5e: rulings, not rules. The problems also arise if you play a game other than D&D. Does anyone know how Cypher or Fantasy AGE handle it? I should know, I have both around here somewhere...There is no such mechanic in 5e; as others have stated, you have advantage on attacks on a sleeping creature, and you get an automatic critical hit while within 5' of it. And then it wakes up. All in all, I would say that's about right for a 1st level spell. I think the problems you are positing only arise if you don't actually follow the rules regarding falling prone and unconsciousness.
Tell that to this guy.As a player or DM, I'd say that any DM ruling that a target is awoken as a natural consequence of the spell is doing some egregious rules lawyering against RAI.
I know a guy who fell asleep right beside the eric at an SCA war... during the fighting. Many folks can sleep through din and noise; almost every Samoan student I had could fall asleep with AC/DC blaring. Several nodded off during a school dance! Eskimo kids often can sleep right through a drum circle...Well, for starters that Danish soldier is falling asleep naturally. If 2 people started a sword fight behind him I suspect he would wake up also.
You're being a nitpickerName a place where being knocked prone, in and of itself, does damage.