Zak Smith is suing his accusers

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aramis erak

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Dude, there are "satan worshippers" (real people who are a member of a "church" of skeptical atheists that don't actually believe in the devil) and there are "satan worshippers" (fictional boogeymen that congregate to drink the blood of virgins at midnight). Real life members of the satanic church have nothing to do with secret blood orgies or human sacrifice—kinda like how real life people with socialist leanings are not secret agents of the Soviet Union. You're drawing a false equivalence here.
Considering that one is doing life for rape (over 100 counts he wont even be eligible for parole until he's 130...). Have your nice (but probably delusional) view that no real evil folks played D&D.

And while the American Church of Satan is pretty much a hedonist agnosticism with shock factor ritual, I've never met any of them (to my knowledge).

And there are even murderous gang-bangers who play D&D.

D&D draws (and has since inception) a lot more minority/outlier types than is representative of the overall population.

In the 90's Mike Stackpole wrote an excellent essay.... which has an interesting quote from a murderous satanist (who was not a member of the ACS) (Michael A. Stackpole: The Pulling Report )
Sean Sellers as quoth by Mike Stackpole said:
When I was playing D&D I was not a satanist, and in fact would probably have punched any Satanist I met right in the mouth. I was interested in witchcraft and Zen however. In doing some research at the library for a D&D adventure I was leading I happened upon the other books that led to my study of occultism.

...to be fair to TSR [the manufacturer of D&D] and in the spirit of honesty I must concede that D&D contributed to my involvement in Satanism like an interest in electronics can contribute to building a bomb. Like the decision to build a bomb, I had already made decisions of a destructive nature before I incorporated D&D materials into my coven projects, and it was Satanism not D&D that had a decisive role in my crimes.
Very real, murderous, satan-worshiping, former D&D player.
See also Sean Richard Sellers #512
 

Aebir-Toril

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Justice will be done.

I've refrained from commenting here too much, but, I feel that I should say something.

My personal bias is that I think that Zak was a good designer with serious and glaring character flaws and a... somewhat twisted sense of morality.

Okay, he seemed like kind of a jerk, to be honest.

What we must remember is that it's not wrong to fund an effort for a citizen to defend themselves against what are pretty petty reasons to sue, I daresay it's the right thing to do.

If Zack did in fact commit the acts he stands accused of (which I have no doubt he did), then he should be punished for them.

Why blame the potential victim? All she's trying to due is raise funds to defend herself.
 

aramis erak

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With respect - McCarthy's investigations found nobody guilty of anything.
You claimed there were no communist spies, not that the HUAC (House Unamerican Affairs Committee) convicted people. Which they could not, and still cannot. They can, however, refer for prosecution, and such a referral is equivalent to an indictment.

And, for reference, they did refer several for prosecution - more than 10 convicts.. Their investigation was low value, but the threat was real, and as Julius and Ethel Rosenberg prove, a real threat.

The HUAC did more damage than good, but it was fighting a real issue... in a very inept way. Same for the later senate investigations by Sen. McCarthy.

Alger Hiss, by the way, was convicted of Perjury in re his testimony before the HUAC.

Oh, and you should probably be aware that the SCOTUS upheld 10 convictions based upon HUAC hearings referrals for prosecution. (Dennis v. US, 1951)
 

pemerton

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there is basically zero chance that Zak does not land on his feet very shortly after all this blows over. Even if it never actually does blow over (which would be nice, but is a pipe dream at this point) there are more than enough people who would more willing to support Zak by buying his products over this that he isn't going to have to worry about it.
This is why I can't really take seriously some posters' concerns about "career-ending false allegations".
 

dragoner

Dying in Chargen
If Zack did in fact commit the acts he stands accused of (which I have no doubt he did), then he should be punished for them.
I've know him for years, we were friends on G+, and even then I couldn't stand his ... whatever you want to call this, being a giant douche nozzle. I blocked him then, just not wanting to hear it anymore. He won't be punished by us, RPG's are just a social thing for him, iirc, he comes from money, and is a six figure a year artist with works hanging in major art museums.

Edit: Pretty sure he is guilty of everything Mandy said he did, I think he even admitted it at one point before doing a 180.
 

Sacrosanct

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This is why I can't really take seriously some posters' concerns about "career-ending false allegations".
I don't know. Chris Hardwick has his career ended over just accusations. AMC fired him, and the Nerdist removed him (he actually created the nerdist, so that was even more of a blow).

If AMC didn't hire a law firm to investigate, and subsequently clear him of the allegations, he still very much would not have a career.
 

Gradine

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I don't know. Chris Hardwick has his career ended over just accusations. AMC fired him, and the Nerdist removed him (he actually created the nerdist, so that was even more of a blow).

If AMC didn't hire a law firm to investigate, and subsequently clear him of the allegations, he still very much would not have a career.
He would almost certainly have bounced back, whether he was found to be guilty or not. Nick Robinson still has a career in the games industry and he admitted to stuff way scummier than what Hardwick was accused of.
 

Gradine

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He would almost certainly have bounced back, whether he was found to be guilty or not. Nick Robinson still has a career in the games industry and he admitted to stuff way scummier than what Hardwick was accused of.
I'll note that this is not take false accusations lightly or that Hardwick deserved what happened to him; just that the "their career will be ruined!" hysterics are very overblown and do not match up what has actually happened in reality in the least bit
 

Umbran

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You claimed there were no communist spies, not that the HUAC (House Unamerican Affairs Committee) convicted people.
Dude. The HUAC wasn't McCarthy.

And, in the places McCarthy suggested there were spies... there were none. Actual spies, are... like false accusations of rape and sexual assault - yes, they exist, but they are rare enough that fearing them in every corner is nonsensical.
 

Sacrosanct

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I'll note that this is not take false accusations lightly or that Hardwick deserved what happened to him; just that the "their career will be ruined!" hysterics are very overblown and do not match up what has actually happened in reality in the least bit
His career WAS ruined, until he was cleared. If he wasn't cleared, he still wouldn't be hired by AMC and he still would be removed from the Nerdist. And Brian Banks lost his career to, while he sat in jail for 5 years on a false rape accusation. And as a pro athlete prospect, after his release, it was too late to recoup after that because his window has passed.

I agree that most of the comments above by them about being scared silly about false accusations are way out of proportion. But it's also not true that false accusations don't result in ruined careers. Because they do.

And as I mentioned above, my family is mixed race. Your comments about false accusations not really having a serious effect, or that they are way overblown and not a reflection of reality, are comments that most black people in the states would find...bizarre to say the least.
 

Gradine

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And as I mentioned above, my family is mixed race. Your comments about false accusations not really having a serious effect, or that they are way overblown and not a reflection of reality, are comments that most black people in the states would find...bizarre to say the least.
This is a very fair point, and one reflects on my own privilege. I will revise my previous statement:

Cishet white male celebrities* basically never face consequences beyond a momentary derailment of their career over either accusations or admissions of sexual misconduct.

*for a given quality of celebrity, based entirely around their field (so folks like Chris Hardwick and Zak Smith apply.)
 

Sacrosanct

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This is a very fair point, and one reflects on my own privilege. I will revise my previous statement:

Cishet white male celebrities* basically never face consequences beyond a momentary derailment of their career over either accusations or admissions of sexual misconduct.

*for a given quality of celebrity, based entirely around their field (so folks like Chris Hardwick and Zak Smith apply.)
This I agree more with. Although, if you look at cis white men who did lose careers in disgrace, and one who didn’t suffer any negative affects and was even supported, there seems to be a strong correlation with political affiliation. But I’m not going to explain in detail because we’ve already been crossing into politics and I don’t want to make it worse. I’m sure you can figure it out though.
 

Arnwolf666

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This is a very fair point, and one reflects on my own privilege. I will revise my previous statement:

Cishet white male celebrities* basically never face consequences beyond a momentary derailment of their career over either accusations or admissions of sexual misconduct.

*for a given quality of celebrity, based entirely around their field (so folks like Chris Hardwick and Zak Smith apply.)
We have a mainstream media that wakes up everyday praying to god they can pin something on a white male. That’s why there are so many false accusations that get caught and embarrass the media.
 
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