John Carter

Relique du Madde said:

What's funny is that he essentially was Reverse Superman.

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Relique du Madde said:

Not just that he was more powerful because no one was able to detect his thoughts because he didn't have the same mental pattern or something as everyone else on mars had.

What's funny is that he essentially was Reverse Superman.

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Hand of Evil said:

I would have to re-read to books but from Wiki...

White Martians
Orovars -- The White Martians, known as 'Orovars' were rulers of Mars for 500,000 years, with an empire of sophisticated cities with advanced technology. They were white skinned, with blond or Auburn hair. They were once a seafaring race but when the oceans began to dry up, they began to cooperate with the Yellow and Black Martians to breed the Red Martians,[40] foreseeing the need for hardy stock to cope with the emerging harsher environment. They became decadent and 'overcivilized'. At the beginning of the series they are believed to be extinct, but three remaining populations, some original Orovars, Therns and Lotharians, are still living in secret and are discovered as the books progress.[7]

Lotharians -- The Lotharians are a remnant population of the original White Martians, which appear only in Thuvia, Maid of Mars. There are only 1000 of them remaining, all of them male. They are skilled in telepathy, able to project images that can kill, or provide sustenance. They live a reclusive existence in a remote area of Barsoom, debating philosophy amongst themselves.[41]

Therns - Descendants of the original White Martians who live in a complex of caves and passages in the cliffs above the Valley Dor. This is the destination of the River Iss, on whose currents most Martians eventually travel, on a pilgrimage seeking final paradise, once tired of life or reaching 1000 years of age. The valley is actually populated by monsters, overlooked by the Therns, who control these creatures, and ransack, and eat the flesh of those who perish, enslaving those who survive. They consider themselves a unique creation, different from other Martians. They maintain the false Martian religion through a network of collaborators and spies across the planet. They are themselves raided by the Black Martians. They are white skinned and bald but wear blond wigs.[42]

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Deuce Traveler said:

Do you notice that no one ever works hard in the movies anymore? They basically pull a 'eat the pill' moment just like in Limitless. John Carter doesn't have to work at the language like he had in the book, he just drinks the magic water and BAM!, he understands the language.

I liked the movie, but I think it was sloppily done. I also noticed that he was not ageless, like he was in the books. I never read past book four, but does anyone know if John Carter is a Orovar or White Martian?

I never found out in the books what froze him and transported him to Mars, as they left it a mystery in the four I had read. If he was a lost Orovar wandering Earth, it would explain his agelessness and much else.

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Relique du Madde said:

I know John Carter was created before the original Super Man. But remember he was created years after Nietzsche's concept of the ubermensch which may have inspired John Carter.

ANYWAYS, the point of my comparison was that since a good majority of today's population could easily tell you who Superman but would struggle with the questions of "Who is John Carter? Why should you watch his movie?" John Carter would is like a reverse Superman, even though historically it's the other way around.

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Hand of Evil said:

And while John Carter never made it as an world icon, ERB's Tarzan did. Before 1977 there were really just 5 characters that would be recognized around the world; Superman, Kirk, Tarzan, Micky Mouse and Elvis.

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Relique du Madde said:

But remember he was created years after Nietzsche's concept of the ubermensch which may have inspired John Carter.

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Tonguez said:

wow so Kirk was more recognizable than Robin Hood, Sherlock Holmes, James Bond, Dracula, Billy the Kid, Zorro, Muhammad Ali, Conan, Beatles etc

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Hand of Evil said:

Not sure of the context with ubermensch other than "overman" and "superman" as it was a philosophy. .

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Jhaelen said:

Errm, have you actually read anything from Nietzsche?

There's absolutely _no_ connection between the philosophical concept of the 'Übermensch' and a 'Superman'. It's about freeing yourself from social and moral 'shackles', not about gaining superpowers.

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Felon said:

I think this is one of those movies that has a big identity problem.

It's not really a light-hearted thrill ride in the vein of "Raiders" or "Pirates". You're not laughing constantly at lovable, quirky characters right before gasping as they go over a waterfall or narrowly avoid being swallowed by a giant monster.

It's not a dramatic epic in the vein "Gladiator" or "Braveheart" either.

Nor is it a blood-soaked, hyper-violent, killing-floor flick like "300".

Those are pretty much your three types of big action movies: the family thrill ride, the epic, and the slaughterhouse. John Carter dips a toe here and there, but doesn't commit to any. You get an adorable CGI dog, which is typically included to play to younger audiences, but does that really happen here? Does the movie ever really driver home a major theme, be it "love" or "freedom" or "family"?

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