School Functions

[Janx]

So anecdotes, not facts. Basically an uninformed opinion.

You are difficult to discuss with.

You chime on here with one liners like:
"Good. Schools are not businesses, teachers are not factory workers and kids are not products."

to my lengthy statements.

And then charge me to produce proof.

The burden of proof is on the dude who's doing the challenging.

I have DIRECT discussions with teachers. I have as much information as a journalist writing a story about how one school paid a motivational speaker to blather for an hour about "rock and roll!" while failing to achieve the goal of the speaker to the teacher conference and wasting our tax dollars.

I even gave an example of one of the inefficiencies teachers implement in one of the first posts in this thread.

From you, I get witty one liners with no meat.

I'm pretty sure that not all schools are run poorly. My charge is that a lot of them make a lot of bad decisions that most anybody I've worked with or for would have seen right through as a waste of money or bad process design.

 

[Kramodlog]

You are difficult to discuss with.

Right, I'm the difficult one.

You chime on here with one liners like:
"Good. Schools are not businesses, teachers are not factory workers and kids are not products."

to my lengthy statements.

And then charge me to produce proof.

You are conflating stuff. Do you know which proof I am asking of you?

The burden of proof is on the dude who's doing the challenging.

I have DIRECT discussions with teachers. I have as much information as a journalist writing a story about how one school paid a motivational speaker to blather for an hour about "rock and roll!" while failing to achieve the goal of the speaker to the teacher conference and wasting our tax dollars.

I even gave an example of one of the inefficiencies teachers implement in one of the first posts in this thread.

From you, I get witty one liners with no meat.

I'm pretty sure that not all schools are run poorly. My charge is that a lot of them make a lot of bad decisions that most anybody I've worked with or for would have seen right through as a waste of money or bad process design.

I'm asking to back your opinion and anecdotes with formal data. It seems to be very hard for you to do so and it is not unreasonable of me.

But I can back my claims the way you do. I have 1 brother, 2 sisters and a brother-in-law that are teachers with more than 50 years of experience put together. None of them ever reported management problems at theirs schools.

See how personal experience and anecdotes are problematic?

 

[sabrinathecat]

I Know! Why don't we get a Kickstarter going, the funds to have a research group do a comprehensive study across the country, polling all the parents who attend school functions for a year, to gather and process how effective they think the presentations and events are? Would that count?
Oh, but then it's only one year, and you only get the parents who choose to participate, so really, that would just be anecdotal and opinionated too, wouldn't it? Just that it would be anecdotal to that year, and based on the opinions of a limited number of parents, who may or may not know what the goal of the event was.
I'll take the experience opinion of someone in the position of direct contact and communication over the statistics of someone who may or may not have chosen to skew or alter the data, or who may or may not have gathered complete data.

I wonder if one or the other is choosing to be obtuse, or if you are actually talking apples vs oranges here?

 

[Nellisir]

I wonder if one or the other is choosing to be obtuse, or if you are actually talking apples vs oranges here?

They both need to take a break is what it is. I'm not even reading their posts. Just another opinionwar.

 

[Kramodlog]

They both need to take a break is what it is. I'm not even reading their posts. Just another opinionwar.

I disagree.

 

[Nellisir]

I disagree.

So do I.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

Well then I guess I'll have to disagree as well, just to make it an even number of disagreements.

 

[Mark Chance]

I've been a teacher since 1996. IME, parents who complain about school functions should stop complaining, come up with ideas to make things better, and then volunteer to help.

 

[Nellisir]

Well then I guess I'll have to disagree as well, just to make it an even number of disagreements.

No.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

No.

Bai.