Batman v Superman (open spoiler thread)

[VengerSatanis]

That might still be Dark Knight Rises or Age of Ulton, whose biggest sins weren't a lack of quality but not being as good as predecessors.
Geeky movies, that's no contest. Force Awakens and Into Darkness are far more divisive.

Second viewing might change some minds. Watching a film again can shift opinions, when you remove surprise and wonder and the ineffable glee of seeing Superman and Batman together. Will it stand up?
I mean, I *loved* the first Abrams Trek film when I left the theatre. Then I watched it a couple more times and the flaws just became more and more apparent...

The Force Awakens divisive? Don't 9 out of 10 Star Wars fans like (if not outright love) TFA?

I agree with the dude who said that BvS will be the most divisive superhero movie. So many people dislike it and quite a few of us love it.

VS

 

[Jester David]

The Force Awakens divisive? Don't 9 out of 10 Star Wars fans like (if not outright love) TFA?

I agree with the dude who said that BvS will be the most divisive superhero movie. So many people dislike it and quite a few of us love it.

VS

Check out the Metacritic reviews:
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-vii---the-force-awakens
824 positive, 599 negative, and only 311 mixed. The fans loved it or hated it.

Both BvS and even Star Trek Into Darkness are more appreciated by fan reviews.

 

[megamania]

I can see why the critics didn't like the movie but the fans did. It combines The Dark Knight Returns, The Death of Superman, New 52 and Crisis of Infinite Earths into one story. Fans can piece it together but "outsiders" will be lost or need help piecing it together.

 

[ccs]

The Force Awakens divisive? Don't 9 out of 10 Star Wars fans like (if not outright love) TFA?

I would've liked it a lot more had I not seen the original version back in 77/78.

BvS? It wasn't as bad as the critics claim. But it could've been a lot better.

 

[Tonguez]

I can see why the critics didn't like the movie but the fans did. It combines The Dark Knight Returns, The Death of Superman, New 52 and Crisis of Infinite Earths into one story. Fans can piece it together but "outsiders" will be lost or need help piecing it together.

it may take those elements but then it screws them entirely and makes a complete hash of the characters

come on in Dark Knight Returns Batman is so ahead of everyone else that he sets up his own heart attack, it was enough that even Superman thought his heart was failing. Thats entirely missing from the BvS Batman who twice gets duped by Wonder Woman and manipulated by Lex's ridiculous scheme.

 

[MechaPilot]

I'm reluctant to see spin-off of Batman. What I want to know is if the Joker is still alive in B v S. It does make much sense that the Joker is alive after he killed Robin when Batman is ready to murder Superman.

Well, bear in mind that the killing is probably new. At one point in the film Alfred shows Bruce the newspaper about the criminal he branded and asks about "new rules."

 

[MechaPilot]

The Force Awakens divisive? Don't 9 out of 10 Star Wars fans like (if not outright love) TFA?

It feels too much like a remake to me: I came up with a list of at least 20 similarities between TFA and the original trilogy, and I'm sure I didn't get all of them. Also, the Han death felt wasted to me: his relationship with his son had no development for me to feel any real betrayal in that scene.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

For all of the movies faults, at least in "Man of Steel" she had some agency.

She was on track for Lex Luthors manipulations thanks to the bullet she found - but that didn't go anywhere. She could have stayed in her bath tub for the rest of the movie and it would seem it would have the same impact. There seems to be no person in the movie that benefits from her research.
I feel that is much more sidelining her character than any number of damsel-in-distress scenes. The only role she might have in the end is to explain Superman's "Martha" outcry - but even that might not have been neccessary, and that means her only value is that she's the girlfriend of Superman and knows his real identity, not that she's a clever journalist.

 

[MechaPilot]

She was on track for Lex Luthors manipulations thanks to the bullet she found - but that didn't go anywhere. She could have stayed in her bath tub for the rest of the movie and it would seem it would have the same impact. There seems to be no person in the movie that benefits from her research.
I feel that is much more sidelining her character than any number of damsel-in-distress scenes. The only role she might have in the end is to explain Superman's "Martha" outcry - but even that might not have been neccessary, and that means her only value is that she's the girlfriend of Superman and knows his real identity, not that she's a clever journalist.

As a woman who likes strong female characters (Wonder Woman was awesome btw, even if it does still bug me that they removed the power of flight from her), I don't have an issue with Lois' role in the story. Sometimes stories unfold faster than a Journalist can prove/push them. Once she knew where the bullet was from, she couldn't quote her source because he wouldn't go on the record. From there it seemed like only a couple of days passed for the characters before the climax of the story, and that's likely to be nowhere near enough time for a reporter to prove a story enough for a paper to publish it without a reasonable chance of losing a slander suit.

 

[Kramodlog]

Well, bear in mind that the killing is probably new. At one point in the film Alfred shows Bruce the newspaper about the criminal he branded and asks about "new rules."

It sounded like it had been going on for a while. At least since Sups destroyed Metropolis. People in the film knew that the brand equaled a death sentence. He couldn't have beent he first. It could be bad writing or a scene that was cut gave more info on Robin.

Barbara Gordon was in the flick, but her scene was cut. I wonder if she was Oracle and what that implicated about Mr. J.