That is clearly not the intent on the cases being discussed here.
The fact is that while neither Rothfuss nor Martin owe fans anything, it is perfectly reasonable for readers to judge their work on its incompleteness.
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The fact is that while neither Rothfuss nor Martin owe fans anything, it is perfectly reasonable for readers to judge their work on its incompleteness.
I disagree. If he was a bad writer, his fans wouldn't care if they finished it or not.
I think the problem here its the definition of "Bad writer". My definition of a bad writer is someone who writes badly. In other words, either they write with grammatical/punctuation problems, or, worse, they're unable to write in a way that captivates their readers. Any writer who can captivate their readers is a good writer. That includes Stephanie Meyer, as even I couldn't stop until I'd finished the fourth book, even if I hated all the characters and thought the plot was contrived. It's actually an amazing example of how you don't even have to write likable characters, as long as the writing is captivating, people will like the book. (God, I hated Edward.)
Is he a bad storyteller? No, I don't think so. The art of storytelling is being able to put together plot, character and tone to convey a story, and he's done that. He just never finished the story. That's not a crime and doesn't mean someone's a bad storyteller. It just means he knows which story to continue and which ones to let die. That actually shows maturity, rather than immaturity.
Martin is able to write compelling, captivating prose with characters people want to read about and does a fantastic job putting together a book. In fact, the only reason he hasn't finished the book is because of his fans. Every time a fan comes up to him and says "I love Game of Thrones!" he shrinks back and says "I know, I should get to the next book." The fans have been yelling at him, judging him, calling him a bad writer and voting him out of contests because he can't finish a book series that NONE OF THEM WOULD EVEN HAVE THE BALLS TO START, let alone get 1,770,000 words into it. Have you ever written a single story with over 1.5 million words? That's over 7,000 pages. That's more than most people have ever written in their lives, let alone in a cohesive story. Lord of the Rings was only 455,125 words.
This has all gotten into his head and forced him into a severe case of writer's block. Some people are more empathetic than others, and therefore are more susceptible to the influence of others. They begin to believe the criticism, and once they believe the criticism, they become the criticism.
So really, the reason Martin hasn't finished is your fault, for voting him out of this contest so early, thus reinforcing his negative image of himself.
I think the problem here its the definition of "Bad writer". My definition of a bad writer is someone who writes badly. In other words, either they write with grammatical/punctuation problems, or, worse, they're unable to write in a way that captivates their readers. Any writer who can captivate their readers is a good writer. That includes Stephanie Meyer, as even I couldn't stop until I'd finished the fourth book, even if I hated all the characters and thought the plot was contrived. It's actually an amazing example of how you don't even have to write likable characters, as long as the writing is captivating, people will like the book. (God, I hated Edward.)
Is he a bad storyteller? No, I don't think so. The art of storytelling is being able to put together plot, character and tone to convey a story, and he's done that. He just never finished the story. That's not a crime and doesn't mean someone's a bad storyteller. It just means he knows which story to continue and which ones to let die. That actually shows maturity, rather than immaturity.
Martin is able to write compelling, captivating prose with characters people want to read about and does a fantastic job putting together a book. In fact, the only reason he hasn't finished the book is because of his fans. Every time a fan comes up to him and says "I love Game of Thrones!" he shrinks back and says "I know, I should get to the next book." The fans have been yelling at him, judging him, calling him a bad writer and voting him out of contests because he can't finish a book series that NONE OF THEM WOULD EVEN HAVE THE BALLS TO START, let alone get 1,770,000 words into it. Have you ever written a single story with over 1.5 million words? That's over 7,000 pages. That's more than most people have ever written in their lives, let alone in a cohesive story. Lord of the Rings was only 455,125 words.
This has all gotten into his head and forced him into a severe case of writer's block. Some people are more empathetic than others, and therefore are more susceptible to the influence of others. They begin to believe the criticism, and once they believe the criticism, they become the criticism.
So really, the reason Martin hasn't finished is your fault, for voting him out of this contest so early, thus reinforcing his negative image of himself.
Flexor the Mighty!
18/100 Strength!
Between football season, lobster season, convention season, and posting here no wonder he never gets anything done. START WRITING!!!!
Ralif Redhammer
Legend
I do love, ahem, Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment. But now I want a fantasy story about a guilt-ridden dragonslayer.
Or that other dead Russian, either.
Lord Mhoram
Hero
Ahmed, Saladin 18
Alexander, Lloyd 24
Anthony, Piers 12
Augusta, Lady Gregory 20
Bear, Elizabeth 20
Brooks, Terry 20
Bulfinch, Thomas 23
Cook, Glen 28
Froud, Brian & Alan Lee 21
Hickman, Tracy & Margaret Weis 6
Hodgson, William Hope 18
Jemisin, N.K. 21
Jordan, Robert 19
Kay, Guy Gavriel 21
LeGuin, Ursula 25
Lynch, Scott 22
McKillip, Patricia 22
Mieville, China 14
Peake, Mervyn 21
Pratchett, Terry 24 Oook!
Rothfuss, Patrick 2 Eeek!
Sanderson, Brandon 26
Smith, Clark Ashton 21
Tolstoy, Nikolai 12
Wolfe, Gene 22
Alexander, Lloyd 24
Anthony, Piers 12
Augusta, Lady Gregory 20
Bear, Elizabeth 20
Brooks, Terry 20
Bulfinch, Thomas 23
Cook, Glen 28
Froud, Brian & Alan Lee 21
Hickman, Tracy & Margaret Weis 6
Hodgson, William Hope 18
Jemisin, N.K. 21
Jordan, Robert 19
Kay, Guy Gavriel 21
LeGuin, Ursula 25
Lynch, Scott 22
McKillip, Patricia 22
Mieville, China 14
Peake, Mervyn 21
Pratchett, Terry 24 Oook!
Rothfuss, Patrick 2 Eeek!
Sanderson, Brandon 26
Smith, Clark Ashton 21
Tolstoy, Nikolai 12
Wolfe, Gene 22
BookBarbarian
Expert Long Rester
Ahmed, Saladin 18
Alexander, Lloyd 24+1=25
Anthony, Piers 12
Augusta, Lady Gregory 20
Bear, Elizabeth 20
Brooks, Terry 20
Bulfinch, Thomas 23
Cook, Glen 28
Froud, Brian & Alan Lee 21
Hickman, Tracy & Margaret Weis 6
Hodgson, William Hope 18
Jemisin, N.K. 21
Jordan, Robert 19
Kay, Guy Gavriel 21
LeGuin, Ursula 25
Lynch, Scott 22
McKillip, Patricia 22
Mieville, China 14
Peake, Mervyn 21
Pratchett, Terry 24
Rothfuss, Patrick 2-2= OUT!
Sanderson, Brandon 26
Smith, Clark Ashton 21
Tolstoy, Nikolai 12
Wolfe, Gene 22
Alexander, Lloyd 24+1=25
Anthony, Piers 12
Augusta, Lady Gregory 20
Bear, Elizabeth 20
Brooks, Terry 20
Bulfinch, Thomas 23
Cook, Glen 28
Froud, Brian & Alan Lee 21
Hickman, Tracy & Margaret Weis 6
Hodgson, William Hope 18
Jemisin, N.K. 21
Jordan, Robert 19
Kay, Guy Gavriel 21
LeGuin, Ursula 25
Lynch, Scott 22
McKillip, Patricia 22
Mieville, China 14
Peake, Mervyn 21
Pratchett, Terry 24
Rothfuss, Patrick 2-2= OUT!
Sanderson, Brandon 26
Smith, Clark Ashton 21
Tolstoy, Nikolai 12
Wolfe, Gene 22
Flexor the Mighty!
18/100 Strength!
BOOM! Rothfuss tried to hang onto the ropes but a double running clothesline from LeGuinn and Alexander fires him over the top where he lands on a ranting GRRM who was berating the crowd for making him not finish his books! Oh GAWD!!! What mayhem is next?
Lanefan
Victoria Rules
Sounds like some full-frontal prudity here...
Ahmed, Saladin 18
Alexander, Lloyd 24+1=25
Anthony, Piers 12
Augusta, Lady Gregory 20
Bear, Elizabeth 20
Brooks, Terry 18 - for some reason every time I try reading one of his books I dont get more than halfway through before giving up
Bulfinch, Thomas 23
Cook, Glen 28
Froud, Brian & Alan Lee 21
Hickman, Tracy & Margaret Weis 7 - not for Dragonlance so much, but for the other things they've done - Rose of the Prophet, Darksword, etc.
Hodgson, William Hope 18
Jemisin, N.K. 21
Jordan, Robert 19
Kay, Guy Gavriel 21
LeGuin, Ursula 25
Lynch, Scott 22
McKillip, Patricia 22
Mieville, China 14
Peake, Mervyn 21
Pratchett, Terry 24
Sanderson, Brandon 26
Smith, Clark Ashton 21
Tolstoy, Nikolai 12
Wolfe, Gene 22
chrisrtld
Adventurer
Ahmed, Saladin 18
Alexander, Lloyd 24+1=25
Anthony, Piers 12
Augusta, Lady Gregory 20
Bear, Elizabeth 20
Brooks, Terry 19
Bulfinch, Thomas 23
Cook, Glen 28
Froud, Brian & Alan Lee 21
Hickman, Tracy & Margaret Weis 7
Hodgson, William Hope 18
Jemisin, N.K. 21
Jordan, Robert 19
Kay, Guy Gavriel 21
LeGuin, Ursula 25
Lynch, Scott 22
McKillip, Patricia 22
Mieville, China 14
Peake, Mervyn 21
Pratchett, Terry 24
Sanderson, Brandon 26
Smith, Clark Ashton 21
Tolstoy, Nikolai 10
Wolfe, Gene 22
Alexander, Lloyd 24+1=25
Anthony, Piers 12
Augusta, Lady Gregory 20
Bear, Elizabeth 20
Brooks, Terry 19
Bulfinch, Thomas 23
Cook, Glen 28
Froud, Brian & Alan Lee 21
Hickman, Tracy & Margaret Weis 7
Hodgson, William Hope 18
Jemisin, N.K. 21
Jordan, Robert 19
Kay, Guy Gavriel 21
LeGuin, Ursula 25
Lynch, Scott 22
McKillip, Patricia 22
Mieville, China 14
Peake, Mervyn 21
Pratchett, Terry 24
Sanderson, Brandon 26
Smith, Clark Ashton 21
Tolstoy, Nikolai 10
Wolfe, Gene 22
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