Gorck
Prince of Dorkness
Bards already can get Fireball, at 10th level (or 6th for College of Lore)There is zero chance bards get fireball. None.
Bards already can get Fireball, at 10th level (or 6th for College of Lore)There is zero chance bards get fireball. None.
Picking up a spell 5 levels late at a significant opportunity cost is absolutely the same as having it on your class listBards already can get Fireball, at 10th level (or 6th for College of Lore)
You said there's zero chance they'll get it and I pointed out that they already can get it. Nowhere was there any mention of timing or opportunity cost (College of Lore only has to wait 1 more level that a Wizard/Sorcerer).Picking up a spell 5 levels late at a significant opportunity cost is absolutely the same as having it on your class list
While I feel they should be INT based, I can certainly see them being WIS based more than CHA based. All the more reason to make them a separate class. Wizard = INT Arcane casters, Psion = WIS Arcane casters, and Sorcerer = CHA Arcane casters.
The problem with a Psion subclass in my opinion is that it's difficult to find the right class for it. Psions scream "brain power" to me, so it would be more appropriate for them to be INT based like a Wizard, rather than CHA based. But Psionic powers aren't learned from study books; they're inherent in you from birth like a Sorcerer. WotC went one way by making the Aberrant Mind a Sorcerer sublass. I went the other way and made my Psion a Wizard subclass that eschews the spellbook and needing to prepare spells.
The ideal solution would be to make the Psion a separate class, but not like the Mystic UA. More like porting over the 3.5e Psion that I loved to play back in the day. But, I've probably hijacked this Sorcerer thread enough with my Psion rambling.
Why not just divorce classes from a single Primary ability score?Whereas to me, Psion screams WIS based since many of its powers pertain to willpower, extrasensory perception, intuition, mysticism, insight, feelings, etc. rather than intelligence, education, knowledge, or logic.
On the contrary, I think even some of these make sense. Divination and Illusion wizards would use INT... but if you are an Enchanter and deal with charms? A CHA wizard makes all the sense in the world. Necromancy deals with life and death, so you could certainly go in the WIS wizard direction. On the flip side... while Life, Grave and Nature Clerics could obviously stick with WIS... your Arcana and Knowledge Clerics could easily be INT-based and Trickery domain could go CHA.Some classes don't make sense for this - Bards should be CHA, Clerics and Druids WIS, Wizards and Artificers INT.
In that case, I'd suggest the following:On the contrary, I think even some of these make sense. Divination and Illusion wizards would use INT... but if you are an Enchanter and deal with charms? A CHA wizard makes all the sense in the world. Necromancy deals with life and death, so you could certainly go in the WIS wizard direction. On the flip side... while Life, Grave and Nature Clerics could obviously stick with WIS... your Arcana and Knowledge Clerics could easily be INT-based and Trickery domain could go CHA.
Would it be a bit of a change? Sure. Does it make a bit of sense? I believe so. Would I be upset if they didn't change it? Nope. This is one of those things that they could keep it either way and I'd be fine with it. Because if I really felt I needed to have it the other way that they choose, I could just make the change for myself in my own home game.
Why would you do that? Speed and agility lead to quicker reactions and response time.Initiative should be separated from DEX.
So can situational awareness (Wisdom) or just having a good head on your shoulders (Int).Why would you do that? Speed and agility lead to quicker reactions and response time.
Or muscular strength, for that matter.So can situational awareness (Wisdom) or just having a good head on your shoulders (Int).