Being stunned

[Darth Malakh]

Ok, how's it if someone is stunned and you try to trip him. does he still get to counter-trip you if you botch your attempt? Furthermore, there's no AoOing if you're stunned, right?

Malakh

 

[Thanee]

Don't think a stunned creature can counter trip, and of course no AoO either.

Besides, stunned creatures drop everything held in hand.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Infiniti2000]

Counter-tripping is explicitly called a reaction and while stunned you cannot take any actions. I think that invalidates counter-tripping more than just based on the logic.

 

[Goolpsy]

No you cant counter trip, neither make any AoO's... I actually dont know if they drop their weapons though.. could seem logical..

btw a stunned person, does he get Dex to Ac ?? (If Yes, then he can probably make an AoO but im not entirely sure he can counter trip, but i guess yes too.. As its all reactions)

 

[moritheil]

No you cant counter trip, neither make any AoO's... I actually dont know if they drop their weapons though.. could seem logical..

btw a stunned person, does he get Dex to Ac ?? (If Yes, then he can probably make an AoO but im not entirely sure he can counter trip, but i guess yes too.. As its all reactions)

It's stated somewhere in the rules that they drop their weapons. In fact, I think they drop whatever they're holding, weapon or not.

IIRC stunned people lose their dex bonuses.

 

[VorpalStare]

From the PHB p. 313:

A stunned creature drops everything held, can't take actions, takes a -2 penalty to AC, and loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any).

So no AoO's and no reactive attacks, such as a counter trip.

 

[mostholy2]

How about dazed opponents? As they cannot take actions, do they get AoO and reactive actions (opposed trip roll?)

 

[moritheil]

How about dazed opponents? As they cannot take actions, do they get AoO and reactive actions (opposed trip roll?)

Are reactive actions actions?

 

[mostholy2]

Silly me, I just realized that people were talking about the counter-trip occurring after a botched attempt to trip. Of course, this is an active action which I would rule requires conscious effort to complete the action.

That being said, I do not think that opposed rolls (to oppose the original trip/grapple/disarm/sunder) should be considered actions. It would make the 0-lvl Daze person way overpowered for it's lvl. It's bad enough that the dazed opponent can't take AoO's, but to also automatically have them fail any opposed roll is just too powerful.

 

[Darth Malakh]

thanks a lot folks. this has been most helpful.

:bowing down and kissings your butts:

malakh