Forged Fury
First Post
Yeah, I'm familiar with it IRL; just referencing the in-game stats.
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KirayaTiDrekan
Adventurer
d20 Modern was published in 2002 - not sure if it matters, but pepper sprays may not have come in so many varieties back then.
Rubberneck
First Post
Solid point. J.R. is on the run either way, can't do anything against an armed threat while blinded haha.
gribble
Explorer
That's alright, T-Dawg's got this one. Not sure if the story will be retconned to allow the original tackle (seeing as T-Dawg probably didn't provoke an AoO, and even if he did he easily made his save - bad idea to pick on a brick with a Fort. save based attack - so should have been able to complete the tackle), but even if it isn't he'll hopefully get Buzzcut on a second attempt - likely just a punch in the face this time, seeing as he now has a gun.
CanadienneBacon
Explorer
Yeah, that was my thought, too. I hauled out the core rulebook this afternoon and had a good hard look in it for anything Improved Grapple that would negate the AoO for initiating a grapple. I also had a good hard look at T-dawg's character sheet in the RG. I just don't see anything in either resource that leads me to believe that T-dawg doesn't incur the AoO when he tries to grapple Buzz Cut. That's when I decided to prompt you in the IC, to see if maybe you knew something about your PC that I was missing.
If you find anything, let me know. We'll play on in the meantime.
Forged Fury
First Post
I think the main thing is that Buzz Cut can't make an AoO unless he has an ability that makes his unarmed attacks count as being armed, which he very well may.
To get really into the rules lawyer weeds, the grapple rules do specify that the AoO has to deal damage in order to prevent the grapple from being initiated. Inflicting a status condition isn't inflicting actual damage, so the grapple could still be attempted (although blinding makes it much harder to actually land the touch attack).
To get really into the rules lawyer weeds, the grapple rules do specify that the AoO has to deal damage in order to prevent the grapple from being initiated. Inflicting a status condition isn't inflicting actual damage, so the grapple could still be attempted (although blinding makes it much harder to actually land the touch attack).
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CanadienneBacon
Explorer
Forged Fury for teh Ninja Strike.
I read the IC. And then re-read the d20 Modern Attack of Opportunity section. No clue how I failed to recall that an AoO must be made with a melee weapon. And I quote, "An attack of opportunity is a single melee attack." The pepper spray is a ranged weapon that uses ranged touch (I'm using pepper spray stats from the module). Buzz Cut cannot, therefore, make an AoO with the pepper spray. He has no feat, skill, or special ability that would permit him to do so.
Long and short of it, T-dawg's grapple should go as planned unless his roll fails. I will ret-con the IC sometime tomorrow, probably in the late evening. Thanks for your patience, and my apology for the error.
I read the IC. And then re-read the d20 Modern Attack of Opportunity section. No clue how I failed to recall that an AoO must be made with a melee weapon. And I quote, "An attack of opportunity is a single melee attack." The pepper spray is a ranged weapon that uses ranged touch (I'm using pepper spray stats from the module). Buzz Cut cannot, therefore, make an AoO with the pepper spray. He has no feat, skill, or special ability that would permit him to do so.
Long and short of it, T-dawg's grapple should go as planned unless his roll fails. I will ret-con the IC sometime tomorrow, probably in the late evening. Thanks for your patience, and my apology for the error.
gribble
Explorer
Ok, cool. I've posted the rolls in the IC thread in an OOC block - they don't look too promising, so perhaps you won't have to change too much!
At least Buzz Cut now has an angry T-dawg in his face though, which will make walking away a lot harder.
CanadienneBacon
Explorer
[MENTION=12430]gribble[/MENTION], I've ret-conned the IC post. Outcome: Buzz Cut has Combat Martial Arts as a feat, so I gave him a punch using his off hand as an AoO on T-dawg when T-dawg initiated the grapple. Buzz Cut missed his AoO. I used your unarmed melee touch attack 10 roll to adjudicate whether T-dawg initiated the grapple. T-dawg missed.
So that leaves us with:
Please post T-dawg's reaction to this series of events.
So that leaves us with:
1) J.R. blinded by pepper spray;
2) Buzz Cut missed his AoO and T-dawg failed to initiate the grapple;
3) T-dawg is in a five-foot square at the end of Aisle 5 somewhere adjacent to Buzz Cut; and
4) Buzz Cut drew a handgun and has it pointed at T-dawg.
2) Buzz Cut missed his AoO and T-dawg failed to initiate the grapple;
3) T-dawg is in a five-foot square at the end of Aisle 5 somewhere adjacent to Buzz Cut; and
4) Buzz Cut drew a handgun and has it pointed at T-dawg.
Please post T-dawg's reaction to this series of events.
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