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[Reynard]

If the only reason someone doesn't like a character is because of a race, then that is, by it's very definition, racist. The person professing that opinion may not consider themselves racist, but the statement they are making is a racist statement.

No. You don't understand. It's about respecting the culture that created the story. You wouldn't expect a white person to play Pocahontas, would you?

/sarcasm, in case anyone was uncertain.

 

[Mistwell]

In other words, a desperate attempt to revive a dying franchise by upping the stakes, regardless of whether or not it makes sense.

Not really no. I read the book, it's obvious this was in the works for a long time by the author, and it gives the perspective of the bad guy in the first series and how things got to where they are. There didn't feel like anything at all desperate about it. It's a really solid book. I'd say even better than the original series with a lot of thought put into it.

 

[Mistwell]

No. You don't understand. It's about respecting the culture that created the story. You wouldn't expect a white person to play Pocahontas, would you?

/sarcasm, in case anyone was uncertain.

Let me take a moment and explore that thought. If Frodo were portrayed as an Elf in the Lord of the Rings movies, why would that not be a similar issue?

 

[BookTenTiger]

Let me take a moment and explore that thought. If Frodo were portrayed as an Elf in the Lord of the Rings movies, why would that not be a similar issue?

No because that's outside of the long context of race in history and media, which we really can't get into due to forum policy.

 

[Mistwell]

No because that's outside of the long context of race in history and media, which we really can't get into due to forum policy.

An elf is a different race from a hobbit. It's a fantasy scenario so should fit in forum policy. How does this sentence not apply to that scenario, "If the only reason someone doesn't like a character is because of a race, then that is, by it's very definition, racist."

 

[BookTenTiger]

An elf is a different race from a hobbit. It's a fantasy scenario so should fit in forum policy. How does this sentence not apply to that scenario, "If the only reason someone doesn't like a character is because of a race, then that is, by it's very definition, racist."

Mistwell this is very silly, but here we go:

If we lived in a world in which elves and hobbits were real, and the only real difference between the two was skin color and traditional culture, and laws and policies historically discriminated against elves, and someone said that they didn't like that Bilbo Baggins was being played by an elf only because they are an elf, then yes, that person's comment would be racist because it would be discriminatory based only on the race of the elf actor.

 

[payn]

How did we get here?

 

[Azzy]

How did we get here?

This is not my beautiful wife.

 

[Mistwell]

Mistwell this is very silly, but here we go:

If we lived in a world in which elves and hobbits were real, and the only real difference between the two was skin color and traditional culture, and laws and policies historically discriminated against elves, and someone said that they didn't like that Bilbo Baggins was being played by an elf only because they are an elf, then yes, that person's comment would be racist because it would be discriminatory based only on the race of the elf actor.

Why does "race" have to mean "skin color" when talking about hobbits and elves? And why do laws and policies have to historically discriminate against a race for it to be a race?

There are many races in our world which have the same or very similar skin color but which are not considered the same race. There are also many races which did not have more or less historical discrimination than any other which are still considered different races. For example, Myanmar recognizes 8 races in their nation. Many have similar or the same skin color and roughly the same historical discrimination, however they're considered different races.

I don't see how either criteria is needed for the generic term "race." We're not responding to a point about a specific race or historical context, the comment was made about generic "race."

 

[Mistwell]

How did we get here?

You really want the path?