Rystil Arden
First Post
There's a difference, though. Because the thing is, that 7th-level Wizard fighting the Nightcrawler may very well have +10 to Fort saves, two less than the 25 HD CR 18 undead, which can be accounted for by the fact that Nightcrawler only has +12 due to the Great Fortitude feat (assuming the Wizard has a Fort familiar, 16 Con base, and items). The key is that undead are always going to be screwed because they don't ever get to add a stat to the save *and* it's a weak save.Ferrix said:I'm not saying that Undead aren't vulnerable to such a spell, but it's not like wizards in general aren't vulnerable to Fortitude saves even at high level. Just because its their weakness doesn't mean there shouldn't be things that target that weakness, particularly when it can be overcome in other ways.