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D&D (2024) Nerf to magic users?
- Thread starter MockingBird
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Horwath
Legend
agree, can't stand that idea from day 1.
in 3.5e I played psionics when ever I would play a "caster".
maybe, or maybe spells should be rebalanced more, especially hard CC spells.
maybe some spells need one-round casting time, You start casting as an Action but the spell is finished at the start of your next turn, that would give lot's of opportunity to interrupt the spell.
Also, every spell that is not cone or melee touch should provoke AoO by default and not be gated behind a feat.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
Ok.
Yes. Saving throw at the end of creature's turns.
3.5 had all summoning spells work that way. I think this would be a good start.
I am not so sure about that. Along the lines of ranged attack, probably it would be better to give advantage on the saving throw.
kigmatzomat
Hero
Meh. Totally different balancing techniques between editions.
5e
So in-game historians might say "Magic of the first recorded age was devastatingly powerful. A caster capable of Teleport was able to kill trolls with a single fireball and even dragons could fall to two or maybe three castings of the appropriate spell. However they might not have that spell and even if they had it, a small child could tug on their robes to interrupt the casting. Many casters took to flying while invisible and surrounded by protective barriers, to avoid that fate, though they had to plan that much farther in advance. And once they cast those spells, it might take them an hour just to recover one spell and a full complement of spells might take days."
"By the 5th age, creatures had become tougher. A fireball alone simply cannot kill a troll, it requires a Meteor swarm or the like. A caster capable of teleport might exhaust their entire array of spells against an adult dragon before maybe, possibly, slaying it, though a majority of their most effective spells will likely be resisted. They will have far fewer spells of great power; gone are the days when a titled magic user could even hope of casting a dozen fireballs. Conversely, these fewer, weaker spells do not require 'pre-casting' and can be recovered quickly, no more than one night's rest and some light meditation. This also means casters do not pre-select the exact number of each spell they have available so they are more likely to have a useful, if not awe inspiring, spell available. Furthermore, casters can be pummeled by multiple enemies on the deck of a storm tossed ship and still effectively cast spells. Which may happen as it is no longer possible for a caster to keep a flight spell and invisibility active, let alone a layered defense. Casters have an array of simple combat magics and utility spells that may be used without using their reserves, though some do require as much or more time to cast as earlier ages would need to recover them."
"Would you prefer to live in a time of powerful spells that require great planning and care to use effectively, or when casters had weak magic they could use reliably? Let us look now to the 6th age...."
5e
- increase hit points on all monsters by 100-300%.
- spell power scaling only happens with up-casting
- Fewer spell slots after Class Level 8
- Never get more than a single 8th or 9th level spell slots
- Repeat saves for spells
- Concentration limits number of active spells with duration
- Legendary Resistance is common on "boss fights"
- Spell slot assignment in advance
- Spell recovery is slow
- Spells are easily disrupted during casting
- Saves are easier to make
- No freely cast cantrips or rituals
So in-game historians might say "Magic of the first recorded age was devastatingly powerful. A caster capable of Teleport was able to kill trolls with a single fireball and even dragons could fall to two or maybe three castings of the appropriate spell. However they might not have that spell and even if they had it, a small child could tug on their robes to interrupt the casting. Many casters took to flying while invisible and surrounded by protective barriers, to avoid that fate, though they had to plan that much farther in advance. And once they cast those spells, it might take them an hour just to recover one spell and a full complement of spells might take days."
"By the 5th age, creatures had become tougher. A fireball alone simply cannot kill a troll, it requires a Meteor swarm or the like. A caster capable of teleport might exhaust their entire array of spells against an adult dragon before maybe, possibly, slaying it, though a majority of their most effective spells will likely be resisted. They will have far fewer spells of great power; gone are the days when a titled magic user could even hope of casting a dozen fireballs. Conversely, these fewer, weaker spells do not require 'pre-casting' and can be recovered quickly, no more than one night's rest and some light meditation. This also means casters do not pre-select the exact number of each spell they have available so they are more likely to have a useful, if not awe inspiring, spell available. Furthermore, casters can be pummeled by multiple enemies on the deck of a storm tossed ship and still effectively cast spells. Which may happen as it is no longer possible for a caster to keep a flight spell and invisibility active, let alone a layered defense. Casters have an array of simple combat magics and utility spells that may be used without using their reserves, though some do require as much or more time to cast as earlier ages would need to recover them."
"Would you prefer to live in a time of powerful spells that require great planning and care to use effectively, or when casters had weak magic they could use reliably? Let us look now to the 6th age...."
MockingBird
Hero
Yeah, I'm not putting a whole lot of stock in this. I personally think it would be cool to make some of those changes but I doubt that they would break compatibility that much.
Charlaquin
Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Guys, the video was blatant satire. He’s quoting AD&D and calling it “leaked from the next Unearthed Arcana.” Also the pinned comment is him saying “I’m flattered anyone actually believed I was connected enough to have access to internal WotC emails and leaked playtest documents.”
Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
My eldest actually leads with that.
"OK, this video is worth watching despite the thumbnail."
MockingBird
Hero
I didn't see that. I watch YouTube on my TV so I never see comments. Thanks for the clarification. It definitely felt off.
Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
YouTube creators often seem to think everyone is watching on desktop, when a lot of the ancillary stuff they might include is difficult or impossible to access on TV or even mobile (where probably the majority of views are happening now).
Vaalingrade
Legend
Absolutely no one watched because Youtubers Bad.
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