[UPDATED AGAIN!] SOUTHLANDS HEROES - New Character Options for D&D From The Folks Who Made TYRANNY O

Strange...there is no 5E Southland Campaign Setting (only Pathfinder), but a pdf for 5E?

 

[Jester David]

The aasimar text was removed as well as the copied rogue traits in the lizardfolk rogue subclass. While the aasimar is still usable with the DMG, the rogue option is now incomplete and unusable. They could have just added text that says something to the effect of "this replaces the level 3 and 13 features of the thief" but it appears this update just removed text and did not add.

The odd text in the minoutaur charge entity or the tosculi remains, as does the other mistakes I've noted. But, maybe that will be fixed later, now that they're no longer in danger of being sued.

 

[vecna00]

And now it has already been updated. I bought it before it was taken down and a side by side comparison shows only one change - the aasimar. All of the racial traits have been removed - one will need the DMG to get those, I guess but the racial variants remain.

I hope this is a good sign that WOTC is willing to allow third party material as long as word for word use of text does not occur.

That was hella fast!

Hope it stays $5 through payday.

 

[turkeygiant]

The aasimar text was removed as well as the copied rogue traits in the lizardfolk rogue subclass. While the aasimar is still usable with the DMG, the rogue option is now incomplete and unusable. They could have just added text that says something to the effect of "this replaces the level 3 and 13 features of the thief" but it appears this update just removed text and did not add.

The odd text in the minoutaur charge entity or the tosculi remains, as does the other mistakes I've noted. But, maybe that will be fixed later, now that they're no longer in danger of being sued.

I posted some of the same concerns as you on the kickstarter page and in a direct message.
I get the feeling this is just a case of a editor maybe not being familar enough with 5e to recognize the issues.
Hopefully this isn't how the bestiary translation will be handled, Im looking for 5e compatable creatures not just Pathfinder creatures with tweaked stats.

 

[epithet]

One thing I don't really understand is why there is an apparent refusal to contemplate a Large player race. Goliaths and Minotaurs can be as big as ogres, Minotaurs are certainly Large NPCs, but when they're made player races the attitude seems to be that they must be shrunk down to Medium.

Now, I understand that there is a damage bonus for a large creature, but that's (I think) fairly offset by the need to squeeze through most doorways and many halls, the difficulty in finding cover or concealment, and the need to pay the price for horse barding if you wear armor.

Why can't a Minotaur be Large and in charge?

 

[turkeygiant]

One thing I don't really understand is why there is an apparent refusal to contemplate a Large player race. Goliaths and Minotaurs can be as big as ogres, Minotaurs are certainly Large NPCs, but when they're made player races the attitude seems to be that they must be shrunk down to Medium.

Now, I understand that there is a damage bonus for a large creature, but that's (I think) fairly offset by the need to squeeze through most doorways and many halls, the difficulty in finding cover or concealment, and the need to pay the price for horse barding if you wear armor.

Why can't a Minotaur be Large and in charge?

Goliaths have always been Med I think, and the minotaur in the Unearthed Arcana was from Dragonlance where again they are Med.

 

[tsadkiel]

Goliaths have always been Med I think, and the minotaur in the Unearthed Arcana was from Dragonlance where again they are Med.

Midgard minotaurs have also always been medium.

 

[Magistus71]

Has this been removed, or not? I do see it on DriveThru

 

[Morrus]

Has this been removed, or not? I do see it on DriveThru

It was. Now it's back.

 

[Kramodlog]

Has this been removed, or not? I do see it on DriveThru

It is back, minus some material that belonged exclusively to WotC.

The book was botched. No wonder it is a stealth release.

 

[DEFCON 1]

One thing I don't really understand is why there is an apparent refusal to contemplate a Large player race. Goliaths and Minotaurs can be as big as ogres, Minotaurs are certainly Large NPCs, but when they're made player races the attitude seems to be that they must be shrunk down to Medium.

Now, I understand that there is a damage bonus for a large creature, but that's (I think) fairly offset by the need to squeeze through most doorways and many halls, the difficulty in finding cover or concealment, and the need to pay the price for horse barding if you wear armor.

Why can't a Minotaur be Large and in charge?

I think this is exactly the kind of situation Mike was talking about in regards to eventual Third Party releases-- making sure everyone had time to truly understand the rules of 5E before making "out there" changes to things. At some point I'm sure someone will be able to put together a Large character race at some point, once they figure out exactly the sort of trade-offs they need to instruct people to use. The combat pillar strength bonuses have to be off-set by actual mechanical combat-pillar penalties above and beyond the mere "noodle" penalities (story-based or interaction/exploration pillar ones).

With dungeon hallways often being at least 10 feet, having to squeeze just through doorways is not that much of a penalty during combat. Likewise, gold pricing isn't a true offset either because that's entire in a DM's hand and some tables might give out enough treasure that a Large create buying Large armor isn't ever a true penalty. And magic armor? Many DMs still go with older rules that says the armor shrinks or expands to fit the wearer. Thus none of these things can truly be thought of as balancing factors against the higher STR.

So these are just a handful of the things a designer would need to be up on and looking at before being able to introduce a truly balanced Large character race. So while an individual table might be willing to up the Minotaur to Large and let the chips fall where they may on that... it's not something to release as an official product until it's been fully vetted.