Sadras
Legend
Valid point, but I think, if I have understood correctly, that the real issue with GWM is the comparison between a Fighter with GWM and a Fighter going any other combat/weapon-style route.
D&D 5E GWM, SS, CEx: updated!
Valid point, but I think, if I have understood correctly, that the real issue with GWM is the comparison between a Fighter with GWM and a Fighter going any other combat/weapon-style route.
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That's pretty cheeky considering that your "data" in the original post consists solely of DPR numbers rounded to the nearest 100.
TwoSix
Dirty, realism-hating munchkin powergamer
Any sort of balancing process for current 5e needs to look at feats first, so that we can get closer to balance between same-class builds, and also respect design considerations such as "melee should out-damage range". The fact that there are only a few feats that are actually outliers also points towards a process where feats are corrected first.
Once the feats are changed so that same-class builds are balanced respective to each other, than you can look at inter-class balance. You don't want to try to fix fighter by assuming SS or GWM are possible solutions if you're just going to change SS and GWM anyway.
TwoSix
Dirty, realism-hating munchkin powergamer
Not an invalid point, but some numbers are still better than no numbers. I'd also be interested to see [MENTION=6801845]Oofta[/MENTION] 's data.
FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
On the flip side you don't want to remove them without having a fighter fix already in place for a game without them. In other words, never do one without the other. If your not also going to do the other then don't do either of them.
TwoSix
Dirty, realism-hating munchkin powergamer
Sure, in a perfect world, you bundle everything together into a suite of changes. Real world, we're just noodling around on the internet.
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...unless you are "removing them" in the theorycrafting sense; not actually removing them from the game.
FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
Sure, in a perfect world, you bundle everything together into a suite of changes. Real world, we're just noodling around on the internet.
In which case my concern is legitimate because fighter buffs may never materialize after the removal of GWM and SS.
FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
I'm not even going to pretend to know what this means.
clearstream
(He, Him)
I have two things to say about that. 1) Some data is more than none; and 2) I round to respect accuracy over precision. It's easy when doing estimations to get into a false sense of precision, when honestly a variance of at least a few points a round is likely and shouldn't be concealed.
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