We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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Dannyalcatraz

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In regards to my time at 19, the story is more complicated than that; it's not relevant except that it wasn't me trying to be racist, but me genuinely not knowing that I was saying something racist.

Actually, if you go back to the beginning of this thread, check out the other Harassment thread- and the blog that started both- you'll notice that we've ALSO been talking about those who are not intentional sexists, but who are nonetheless helping create or maintain an environment where sexism can thrive since the inception of this discussion. (Ditto the whole "See it; report it." suggestion.)

So actually, unintentionally racist 19 year old you is perfectly analogous- and thus, relevant- to those unintentional sexists.

So I say again, you have personally modified your (unwitting) racist behavior because of social pressure. Are you willing to exert some social pressure to rectify sexist behavior?
 

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HardcoreDandDGirl

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I agree, if anyone is accompanying women to their rooms it should be people they choose because they're comfortable around them. Also it's probably best to pick more than one. Not knocking women's judgement, all people have their shortsights and misjudge people. It's probably best to have more than one.

again groups both guys and girls... groups are good.

Last time I was at a Con we had a night game that ran late it was like midnight when we called it, and most of us went to the Ram for burgers (the big one I can't finish) and one of the guys an older fellow offered to walk me back to my hotel. I had just met him that night, and yea he seemed cool like a grand father and he didn't stare or say anything wrong, but I felt I had to say no... because I just didn't know. I got doubley lucky because the kid who ran the event said we could all go... I felt much better even though that was 3 strange guys...none of them did anything inappropriate and they only walked me to the lobby then headed back to there hotels...

it sucks to have to think that way. But you have to sometimes.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Boys talking about "hitting it" and homophobia are not gamer issues.

True. But gamers shouldn't get a free pass on the issue, either. We have to look into the mirror just like everyone else and decide which kind of person we are- tolerant or intolerant of such public behavior in our events and venues?
 

MechaPilot

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I want to say something about female only tables. I think if there are female DMs to run a few games then they are great idea. Not just because of the issues of feeling safe which is an issue. But as a female gamer with years of experience under my belt I still face certain assumptions when I game with men I don't know.

One of the biggest is that no matter what I am playing there will be a guy trying to tell me how to play or as one idiot here put it babying the game down for me.

There are men who will ignore any tactical suggestion I make because I am woman and turn around agree with man who makes the same suggestion.

There are men who feel that my PC must be protected by them even if they are a squishy wizard and I am a kick butt fighter.

Then there are the guys who simply don't know how to talk to me as gamer because of my sex and I am just not talking creepy just clueless and dealing with them is exhausting.

Then there is the guys who view every female gamer they meet as a potential date.

I would love to sit at a table where I can pretty much figure a lot of this is not going to happen. Plus it would be interesting to experience playing with my own gender and see how that is different. That is something I have never experienced. I have played a one on one with a female DM but that is not the same because it lacks the dynamic a party.

Most men if they want can experience playing with just men.

I'd like to add one of my experiences to the list.

When I game with men as a player (instead of as the DM, which I usually am these days) I have to actively omit my character pursuing any non-platonic relationships during play. In several games where I have had characters who pursued non-platonic relationships in-game I have been accused of "girly-ing up the game," or have had fellow players take that as some kind of sign that I'm looking for a romantic or sexual relationship in real life.
 

Elf Witch

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thank you... and again I want to point out in general, I think most of us (gamers at cons and stores and home games) aren't the worst, I hear way worse at concerts or sports things. I also think that the few minor issues over almost twenty years were minor compared to some stories I have heard. If you are a woman at a con in cos play out side smokeing you will find people that come up and say the worst things...and I feel like I have always come away ok.



Good because people saying stupid junk is one thing... but true harassment (and trust me I have seen and heard a lot including a crying little girl who must have been less then 13 and her mom in the bathroom at Dragon Con one year... I find my eyes tearing up just thinking of it.


We need to do better, and threads like this could do a lot of good if we all talk through it and make some real changes... but not if we break down to dumb arguments. The other thing is don't let perfect be the enemy of good...we need changes today

This is what bothers me is the fact as women we are used to dealing with this because it happens all the time. I know and many of my friends categorize crap like this as well he only said one thing and when I moved away he didn't follow me so it is okay I guess at least he didn't keep it up or escalate it.

I wonder how many deal with this all the time? If they have to deal with unwanted comments when they step outside to smoke?

And as you said it happens else where at other places. I went to a professional soccer game and I had my butt touched several times and the people I went with told me to me glad it was just my butt. At least my butt was not painfully pinched or smacked.

Come on open your eyes all you guys worrying about hypothetical maybes of some innocent guy getting kicked out of a con. I told myself I was not going to lose my temper but I am. What part do you not understand women deal with this crap all the time. We are taught as teens how to avoid rape how to deal with leeches who try an touch us and to ignore cat callers I was taught don't make eye contact don't react and walk faster.

It needs to stop period. Men who don't do this need to tell guys who do knock it of. Women need to stop taking it and we do take it we all taught not to make a scene.

I am really pleased at all the men who are speaking up and saying it is wrong I am disgusted at those trying to turn this into well men get mistreated too and we need to be fair.

I am not an unholy bitch and I don't want to see men punished for something they didn't do but since that is a rarity in cases of harassment can we shut about it.

And stop with the strawmen that some of you are posting about how anti harassment should also protect more than women. They do protect all people including straight white guys. Everyone who attends a con that has an anti harassment policy is covered. It is meant to protect you as well from harassment. I challenge you to go and find one anti harassment policy that allows women to harass men while not allowing men to do it to women.
 

MechaPilot

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Gen Con Attendance 61,423 in 2015 if 8% were assaulted that is 5,000 people...(4,914.8) what can we do to bring that down to a double digit number this year and a 0 next...

I'd like to thank you for continuing to bring this up. In a thread full of distractions, that's a welcome signpost back to a worthwhile discussion.
 

Nylanfs

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Yes. Which is a ridiculous reason for refusing. A group of women wanted the opportunity to game with other women, and it was refused because it might make other gamers question whether their community was safe for woman.

No the point was it wasn't refused, one person posted that they thought this was divisive to the community, which I replied they were being too sensitive to the subject. And I'm guessing they then went on a underground campaign to harass and engineer a boycott of ALL of her games last weekend. Which if that is the case Ellspeth I am sorry that it happened and it is complete crap that it happened. I have stronger words for this, but Morrus's grandmother may not approve.
 

Taneras

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again groups both guys and girls... groups are good.

Last time I was at a Con we had a night game that ran late it was like midnight when we called it, and most of us went to the Ram for burgers (the big one I can't finish) and one of the guys an older fellow offered to walk me back to my hotel. I had just met him that night, and yea he seemed cool like a grand father and he didn't stare or say anything wrong, but I felt I had to say no... because I just didn't know. I got doubley lucky because the kid who ran the event said we could all go... I felt much better even though that was 3 strange guys...none of them did anything inappropriate and they only walked me to the lobby then headed back to there hotels...

it sucks to have to think that way. But you have to sometimes.

There's nothing wrong with a polite no if you feel uncomfortable. That's something else to add to awareness if someone creates a list. Listen to your instincts.
 

Elf Witch

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I'd like to add one of my experiences to the list.

When I game with men as a player (instead of as the DM, which I usually am these days) I have to actively omit my character pursuing any non-platonic relationships during play. In several games where I have had characters who pursued non-platonic relationships in-game I have been accused of "girly-ing up the game," or have had fellow players take that as some kind of sign that I'm looking for a romantic or sexual relationship in real life.

I would never bring something like romance or sex in the game with guys I don't know. They can get so weird about it. In one game the male PCs went to a brothel and my lone female PC went to dinner with the town's sheriff and spent the night with him. I had to deal with the entire I didn't know your PC was easy. And they were often suggesting I seduce the guard of the King. It got so tiresome.

And yes I read enough threads on here about how some groups hate romance in the game.

Luckily my regular group is all for romance if it fits and it is not treated as weird or girly.
 

Fergurg

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Actually, if you go back to the beginning of this thread, check out the other Harassment thread- and the blog that started both- you'll notice that we've ALSO been talking about those who are not intentional sexists, but who are nonetheless helping create or maintain an environment where sexism can thrive since the inception of this discussion. (Ditto the whole "See it; report it." suggestion.)

So actually, unintentionally racist 19 year old you is perfectly analogous- and thus, relevant- to those unintentional sexists.

So I say again, you have personally modified your (unwitting) racist behavior because of social pressure. Are you willing to exert some social pressure to rectify sexist behavior?

I think you have me confused with someone else. My only objection here is to the idea of a "one accusation means expulsion". In fact, pointing out to someone when they are out of line would be appropriate many times.
 

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