Kalamar - first published 4e setting?!?

[Desdichado]

I understand him perfectly fine. I do disagree with his opinion that the results of said naming rules are stupid.

You seem to. And then you make a claim like "just because you say something's stupid doesn't make it so" when hong's explained about fourteen times that he's actually making no such claim.

This would seem to be pretty good evidence that you don't in fact understand a single word of what he's saying.

Look, I know as well as the next guy that hong amuses himself by dodging actual discussion with pedantry, but in this case he's got a point.

He thinks the names are stupid (although that's not really important.) He thinks that enough people think the names are stupid that it's an issue for Kalamar overall (that is important, because "in theory" Kalamar exists to sell copies of itself.) He thinks that you could have arranged naming conventions such that you are just as "internally and linguistically consistent" without giving results that turn off broad swaths of potential customers.

Really; it's not hard to follow. But based on your replies, you're missing the entire point over and over again.

 

[Fenes]

I already answered that several times: I do not think that those who think the names are stupid and want more streamlined names are numbering enough to compensate for those who do not want more streamlined names.

Basically, I do not agree with the assumption that the names are stupid, nor with the opinion that more people hate them than like them.

Is that clear now?

 

[Fenes]

[Lawyer]
If someone says "this is stupid", then he makes the claim that this is a fact. If there is no more evidence forthcoming to support this statement, then it means indeed "this is stupid cause I say so". And if the "evidence" is "I say lots of people think like I do, and therefore it's true" then that doesn't change the claim at all from "It's true cause I say so".

We do not have any poll, any representative sample, nothing that would pass as evidence. So, it is indeed a simple "it's stupid cause I say so" argument.
[/lawyer]

 

[Desdichado]

I already answered that several times: I do not think that those who think the names are stupid and want more streamlined names are numbering enough to compensate for those who do not want more streamlined names.

Basically, I do not agree with the assumption that the names are stupid, nor with the opinion that more people hate them than like them.

Is that clear now?

It always was clear, but rather than saying, "OK, this is what you think and this is what I think" you continually make posts that indicate that you don't actually even understand what he's saying and then you go off on another round of repeating yourselves over and over again.

As someone who's interested in the topic, but bored to tears with your pedantic tangent, it's getting really old already. If you understand his point and you've made yours, then just drop it already. Or fork it and have another discussion about naming conventions or something.

 

[GeorgeFields]

As someone who's interested in the topic, but bored to tears with your pedantic tangent, it's getting really old already. If you understand his point and you've made yours, then just drop it already. Or fork it and have another discussion about naming conventions or something.

That's the most intelligent thing said in the previous few pages.

 

[The Little Raven]

("Waterdeep" - "Tiefwasser")

Using a Forgotten Realms city's syllables doesn't help support a complaint about not liking Greyhawk syllables.

 

[Mark Plemmons]

Harrumph! Going back into topic...

Please?

This puts WotC in a very difficult position. It can indeed sue Kenzer and drag the lawsuit long enough to ruin them... However this would cause a big backlash against WotC (can you say "Streisand Effect"?)

I don't believe it puts WotC in any position whatsoever, personally. It certainly shouldn't surprise anyone who's been at WotC for a while. We've been publishing D&D-compatible material for nearly 15 years now, and were even doing so (Goods and Gear, for example) at the same time we were publishing official material with the D&D logo.

We never used the OGL, and don't see any more reason to use the GSL, either. We'd like to keep supporting both v3.5 and 4E.

EDIT: Heck, I just added a brand new 101-page v3.5-compatible PDF (Zoa: Citadel of the Bay to our web store.

 

[Voadam]

So. Point me to all those ppl complaining about the syllables in Guild Wars, Warcraft, Starcraft, Pathfinder, even Greyhawk.

There's a country named Geoff?

An archmage named Bigby. And one named Rigby. And one named Digby. And one named . . .

 

[theemrys]

If enough people think 2+2 equals 5, it still doesn't.

Ahhh... but it does... for very large values of 2...

 

[WizarDru]

There's a country named Geoff?

An archmage named Bigby. And one named Rigby. And one named Digby. And one named . . .

That's not really a complaint about excess syllables, just a style choice. And it actually kind of shows why folks don't complain about Greyhawk in the same way. The people of Geoff strongly resemble the Welsh, but the chosen place names are much easier on the players than some Welsh names.

Given that the real world has places like 'Gary, Indiana', 'Pierre, South Dakota' (a state capital, I might add) and 'Jim Thorpe, PA' (named for the famous athelete)....well, I'm hard pressed to see a name like the Grand Duchy of Geoff as unrealistic or even silly.

Heck, I live near places like Bala Cynwyd, Bird-in-Hand, Limerick, Intercourse and Harrisburg. About two hours from here are towns like Strong, Frackville and Ashland (can you say 'coal country'?).