Dilettante & Implements

[fissionessence]

As a Half-Elf Warlock with the dilettante racial feature choosing the Wizard power Thunderwave . . . what kind of implements can I use for said power?

I'd assume I could use an orb, wand or staff in conjunction with the power (the Wizard implements for a Wizard power), but I don't know that this is spelled out anywhere. Conversely, from what I can see, I would actually be prevented from using any implement at all because nowhere does it exclusively say that I can use an implement with my dilettante power. It would be cool if I could use any warlock implement (rod or wand) with it since I'm a Warlock, but I don't expect that would be the case. There is some Wizard/Warlock crossover with the wand, though, so it should be fine.

Anyway, does anyone know how this is supposed to work?

~ fissionessence

 

[Caliber]

This is a good question, and I have no idea how it is supposed to work.

Since the power only has the Implement keyword, though, and your class says Implements for you are Rod and Wand, I'd probably let you just use those.

What about classes that don't have any Implements listed though? Are they just borked?

 

[Ander00]

If I'm not mistaken, as written, you wouldn't get to use an implement for the dilettante power, unless you also took the appropriate multiclass feat.

However, I'd certainly allow it and I suspect most other DMs would as well.


cheers

 

[Mort_Q]

If I'm not mistaken, as written, you wouldn't get to use an implement for the dilettante power, unless you also took the appropriate multiclass feat.

I believe you are correct.

However, I'd certainly allow it and I suspect most other DMs would as well.

I wouldn't. Why would you?

 

[fissionessence]

If I'm not mistaken, as written, you wouldn't get to use an implement for the dilettante power, unless you also took the appropriate multiclass feat.

I also believe this is correct.

However, I'd certainly allow it and I suspect most other DMs would as well.

As a DM, I would allow the player to use an implement associated with the class he took the power from, but not necessarily one from his own class. As a player . . . I'll have to convince my DM to agree with me

I wouldn't. Why would you?

I can respect the decision not to, since that's the way the books read. I would allow it, though, because otherwise it unfairly penalizes (IMO) the choice implement powers for the dilettante feature. Weapon powers would have no such downfall. I doubt the designers purposefully made the implement-using powers a worse choice than those without implements.

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[Gloombunny]

I believe you are correct.

I wouldn't. Why would you?

I would, because I see no reason why a half-elf warlock who wants to grab another class's spell should be fine at level 1 and screwed at level 30, while a half-elf warlord who takes another class's exploit is fine at every level.

 

[small pumpkin man]

If I'm not mistaken, as written, you wouldn't get to use an implement for the dilettante power, unless you also took the appropriate multiclass feat.

Warlocks can use wands. Wizard powers can be used with wands. What's the problem?

However, I'd certainly allow it and I suspect most other DMs would as well.

cheers

 

[GorTeX]

You could use a Wand, a Staff, or an Orb (probably want to use the wand, as that works for your warlock as well).

You don't have to have 'implement mastery' to use an implement in a power...you have to have 'Implement mastery' to get the various benefits from that implement--the 'once per encounter' powers or the '+AC' from staffs.

A wand master wizard can use an orb all day long, but can't use either of the 'Orb of Imposition' abilities...and he'd miss out on the 'wand of accuracy' bonus unless he used a wand

heck, he could dual weild a wand and an Orb and use whichever one he wanted when casting his spells.

Of course, this only matters once you get a magic implement...

 

[yu gnomi]

In the magic items section of PHB pg 236 to 243, in description of each type of implement (i.e. Holy Symbols, Wands, etc) it states that you can apply enhancement bonus if you are a member of a class that can use that type of implement. So wands ok, staff and orb no (unless character takes Arcane Initiate feat).

Having said that, Dilettante race feature is already weak enough relative to others like Fey Step and Dragonbreath. I think if DM wants to ignore this detail, he should.

 

[Oompa]

You can use the power with no implement or only benefit from enhancements from the wand..