D&D (2024) The New Direct Damage Spells You Should Be Using.

[mellored]

As you mean it, yes. In practice, there was a push to make everything fire dealing and that was ... less exciting.

This thread is about damage.

I like ray of frost more of the time.

 

[Zardnaar]

How are you getting Hex through a feat in the 2024 rules?

Fae Touched feat. Since tashas 2020.

 

[Zardnaar]

This thread is about damage.

I like ray of frost more of the time.

It's not about the most damage though. And yeah ray of frost is better than firebolt.

 

[mellored]

Apologies buried in text. Sell me on poison spray.

I'm not sure i can sell you it as the only damage cantrip, there are just too many ways for it to be useless.

But i could definitely see it as a pair. Possibly using it 70% of the time, with sorcerer's burst as the other 30%.

And I do wonder about mind sliver as well, for being the most accurate with Int being low. Or quicken mind sliver + heightened finger of death.

 

[jgsugden]

Which 2014 feat allows the taking of Hex? Magic Initiate did, but it has been re-written, and the rules don't allow you to take-the-version-you-want...

Again, people are doing what they want, not necessarily what WotC allows. Rule 0.

 

[Kobold Stew]

Again, people are doing what they want, not necessarily what WotC allows. Rule 0.

Sure, but that line of argument makes any discussion of rules pointless.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm not sure i can sell you it as the only damage cantrip, there are just too many ways for it to be useless.

But i could definitely see it as a pair. Possibly using it 70% of the time, with sorcerer's burst as the other 30%.

And I do wonder about mind sliver as well, for being the most accurate with Int being low. Or quicken mind sliver + heightened finger of death.

Yeah mind slivers probably the best cantrip overall competing with Eldritch blast. I lije the magic initiate feats a lot so it's an easy pick up.

Main problem is how many attack cantrips you need. I have a Warlock build that has 13 odd cantrips low level. Think it gas 6 or 7 attack ones for every situation (starry burst radiant, EB go to, Sorcererous Burst for hunter ranger combo, toll the dead for a save required vs attack, true strike).

May be excessive. True strike+ ranged is really all you need most of the time imho.

I've stopped caring about danage and int is best save to target so I'll use true strike/mind sliver combo as go to for relevant classes.

 

[Horwath]

How are you getting Hex through a feat in the 2024 rules?

Fey touched

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

Sure, but that line of argument makes any discussion of rules pointless.

With ‘reverse compatibility’ can you not pick and choose what you want?

 

[mellored]

May be excessive. True strike+ ranged is really all you need most of the time imho.

Truestike has an 80' range, 360 with disadvantage.
100' if you get martial weapons.
And nothing stops you from swapping to melee if needed.

I've stopped caring about danage and int is best save to target so I'll use true strike/mind sliver combo as go to for relevant classes.

Depens on the party too.

I'm in a group with a pike polearm master wild heart barbarian (bonus action dash + disengage, reaction push), and a ranged battlemaster fighter (slow / push / topple maneuver), and a life cleric (as backup). And I drop web as my go to. Very effective keep away. Though we end up in a suspicious amount of ambushes from all sicombination.

So Truestrike/Ray of Frost would be probably be optimal.

but I could definitely see Truestrike + mind sliver as an good combo, but it depends on the party.


I'm still sticking with Sorcerer's Burst + ray of frost for thematic reasons though.