Shifting when not adjacent?

[keterys]

Whether or not you said it word for word has little to do with whether or not you did indeed say it.

And apparently nothing to do with you being mistaken. Again. Ah well, at least you're consistent.

I always hold a position that does not allow me to be wrong.

Which makes this statement all the more amusing.

Anyhow, there appears to be no point to trying to show you the error of your ways and no reason to invite moderation so... cheers?

 

[SweeneyTodd]

Goumindong, you've spent so much time on the last few pages chest-pounding and asserting that you're correct, that I no longer have any idea what your actual position or argument is!

Anyway, stuff like

I always hold a position that does not allow me to be wrong. When i am wrong, i change my position until it is right. And then I am no longer wrong. This is not one of those cases.

is unlikely to do much other than get you on ignorelists, because it fails to contribute anything. No offense intended, but yelling that you're right and explaining why you're right are not the same thing.

Moving on, to me it seems like treating Polearm Gamble as kind of a subset of Threatening Reach is the easiest way to handle it. (It's not quite as good, because no matter how well trained you are with a polearm it doesn't give you as much useful range as being twelve feet tall, so that seems reasonable.)

If you treat it as "There are more squares around you where movement provokes", rather than "There are new triggers that provoke", then the interaction with the other rules is crystal-clear. So hey, I figure that's the interpretation I'm going with.

I totally understand that a literal reading can lead to it working totally differently than that... but I'm comfortable with "Your weapon is longer, so you can occasionally get OAs 5' further away than usual".

 

[Goumindong]

is unlikely to do much other than get you on ignorelists, because it fails to contribute anything. No offense intended, but yelling that you're right and explaining why you're right are not the same thing.

I creased explaining why I was right when Keteyrs explicitly stated he would not be using rational logic to make his determination.

You will have to excuse me for pointing that out rather than futilely positing further logical arguments to one who has stated he doesn't care for them.

I no longer have any idea what your actual position or argument is!

Simply: Polearm Gamble is the specific rule which creates new triggers. As it is written it allows OAs against teleportation(so long as the origin of the teleportation is with the reach of the weapon), forced movement, and shifting so long as those movement types co-inside with the trigger that polearm gamble allows you to use.

 

[Tony Vargas]

No it is not. An OA is only "limited" to occurring in adjacent squares because typical triggers only happen in adjacent squares.

Strange, then, that Reach specifically spells out that you can still only take OAs against adjacent targets, and that Threatening Reach exists at all. If OAs were not limitted to adjacent targets, anyone with Reach would have threatening reach, and non-threatening reach would have to be the specific exception.

 

[keterys]

Keteyrs explicitly stated he would not be using rational logic to make his determination.

Could you please either not reference me, or quote what you do? All these words you're putting in my mouth are interfering with my lunch.

This imaginary me you've crafted said some odd things, though.

 

[Shadewyn]

But, the boards are fueled on infinite oregano, I suppose

LOL ... you win at this post ...

The shifting provokes an OA is a very infinite Oregeno arguement.

They leave the logic chain of how OAs are handled and suddenly ... BAM ... you are buried neck deep in mounds of shredded green herb.

 

[firesnakearies]

No responses to my wall o' text, eh? Oh well.

I just found this tidbit over on the WotC forums, though:

http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=16394747&postcount=188

Original Question:


Quote:
Shift states "If you shift out of a square adjacent to an enemy, you don't provoke an oppurtunity attack" pg. 292

What happens if an enemy shifts towards you while you have the Polearm Gamble feat and are wielding a Polearm. So he starts 2 squares away and shifts in towards you so he is adjacent.

Polearm Gamble

Paragon Tier
PreRequisite: Str 15, Wis 15
Benefit: When a nonadjacent enemy enters a square adjacent to you, you can make an opportunity attack with a polearm against that enemy, but you grant combat advantage to that enemy until the end of the enemy’s turn.
Special: Weapon feat

1.) Polearm Gamble only states that "When a nonadjacent enemy enters a square adjacent to you" it doesn't say how he enters that square (ie the shift). So in this case will shifting not protect the enemy from the oppurtunity attack?

2.) What about Threatening Reach (MM pg. 283)? This is similar except the monster could make the attacks even if you didn't move closer to it?

3.) So in summary do shifts only protect against OAs from adjacent enemies (as worded)?

CS Answer:


Quote:
Thank you for writing.

In this case, because of the feat, they would get the Opportunity Attack when someone enters an adjacent square. Whether it was from normal movement or a shift.

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I know that CS answers are not considered absolute canon or anything, but still...

 

[keterys]

Shame they didn't ask about forced movement.

 

[Oompa]

Forced movement does not provoke Oppertunity attacks or other Oppertunity Actions..

Polearm gamble will not give you an OA on forced movement cause:

- Forced movement wont give you an OA when you have threatening reach or when someone is forced threw 3 adjacent squares..
- Polearm gamble does not have an rule that specifick say's something about forced movement..

Polearm gamble wont give you an OA on Teleport, cause polearm gamble gives you an trigger when you enter an new square, when you teleport you leave one..

 

[Hypersmurf]

Polearm gamble wont give you an OA on Teleport, cause polearm gamble gives you an trigger when you enter an new square, when you teleport you leave one..

What happens next, after you leave one square?

-Hyp.