Will the real 4E please stand up?

[cangrejoide]

The true D&D?

I would say whichever edition sells more. Simple as that.

This is the VHS vs Beta
PS1 vs Dreamcast
Subway vs Quiznos

Also:

IBL.

 

[TerraDave]

Don't forget: "It's fun!!1!one1!! And other editions weren't as fun!11!!!1one11!"

(pretty much an exact quote from the 'Wizards Presents' booklets)

No body know better then me all their promises....I think, in terms of improving game play, they pretty much lived up to them (as much as they could).

But, no, 4E has not created anything quite like, say, the Ilse of Dread.


EDIT: which of course is mentioned in one of the preview books. That means something.

 

[CleverNickName]

no body know better then me all their promises....i think, in terms of improving game play, they pretty much lived up to them (as much as they could).

But, no, 4e has not created anything quite like, say, the ilse of dread.

qft.

 

[Jack Colby]

There is no spiritual successor. D&D is just out of print, not out of date.

Exactly. Who said D&D needed or could possibly have a spiritual successor at all?

 

[Clavis]

Exactly. Who said D&D needed or could possibly have a spiritual successor at all?

If I'm remembering correctly, Gygax did. And he basically said it was Castles & Crusades. Hence Gygax finally releasing Castle Grey... I mean Castle Zagyg, for the Castles & Crusades rules.

Of course, we are just talking about a game. I'll play any edition of D&D, although I'll only DM Classic D&D (especially Rules Cyclopedia), 1st Edition AD&D, or C&C. Currently I'm playing in a 4th Edition campaign, but I'm running a C&C campaign. IMHO 4th Edition's not so bad once you stop wanting it to be like the old D&D, and just accept it for what it is - a fun miniatures game that happens to have the D&D name.

 

[Oni]

The true D&D?

I would say whichever edition sells more. Simple as that.

This is the VHS vs Beta
PS1 vs Dreamcast
Subway vs Quiznos

Also:

IBL.

That wasn't really the question. One product being more successful than another has a lot more to do with branding and marketing than being a more natural extension of the rules and feel of what came before.


And at the risk of asking a dumb question, what's IBL?

 

[Nikosandros]

That wasn't really the question. One product being more successful than another has a lot more to do with branding and marketing than being a more natural extension of the rules and feel of what came before.

Especially considering that Beta was much better than VHS and was commercially doomed when pornography adopted VHS.

And at the risk of asking a dumb question, what's IBL?

In Before the Lock... meaning that in the poster's opinion a contentious thread might soon be locked.

 

[Filcher]

But, no, 4E has not created anything quite like, say, the Ilse of Dread.

Check out Goodman Games' Isle of the Sea Drake. Good adventure with easily the most amazing handouts I have ever seen.

Now that Necro is releasing their own 3.75, it seems like Goodman Games is the only major 3PP seriously invested in the game.

 

[williamhm]

If I'm remembering correctly, Gygax did. And he basically said it was Castles & Crusades. Hence Gygax finally releasing Castle Grey... I mean Castle Zagyg, for the Castles & Crusades rules.

Of course, we are just talking about a game. I'll play any edition of D&D, although I'll only DM Classic D&D (especially Rules Cyclopedia), 1st Edition AD&D, or C&C. Currently I'm playing in a 4th Edition campaign, but I'm running a C&C campaign. IMHO 4th Edition's not so bad once you stop wanting it to be like the old D&D, and just accept it for what it is - a fun miniatures game that happens to have the D&D name.

I disagree with this post 4e is the funnest version of dnd yet with the best out of combat mechanics of any eddition, actual rules for gaining xp from skill usage. It is far from a minature game. If your not rping then that is your problem not the systems. Personally I will not play another version of dnd, other games yes, other versions of dnd no.

 

[Hunter In Darkness]

To me 4e is not D&D. 3.0 and 3.5 were stilld d&d, C&C feels like d&d. Pathfinder feels like d&d. 4E has lost the soul of d&d and so while may be fun it's like that cheesy kid in the elf costume at Christmas, he has the name, plays the part but never really lives up to the name.