Ema's RPG Sheet Website down...

[Brix]

I'm very sure that the good guys at paizo would have droped Ema a friendly note to remove the critical content before taking legal action.
That's how wizards treats it's fans nowadays.

 

[Obryn]

I'm very sure that the good guys at paizo would have droped Ema a friendly note to remove the critical content before taking legal action.
That's how wizards treats it's fans nowadays.

A C&D is considered a "friendly note" in the legal world. After all, you're saying "Do this or else we will sue."

A lawsuit is the mean way to do it.

Again, I think you aren't being realistic about what it means to be a business.

Now people are getting extremely pro-WotC silly. Ema didn't scan WotC books and sell them. Don't make ridiculous accusations.

Ema's site was a fan site, pure and simple. He created some very fine character sheets. WotC sent a letter to his ISP ordering the site to be eradicated, which it was.

If this is not overly agressive and heavy-handed, I don't know what is. WotC gets no bonus points in my book.

No, of course he didn't scan books and sell them. The point was, if you're infringing and profiting from it, any company will have to take action. It's silly to assume that Paizo wouldn't, too.

And where are you getting the information about sending a letter to his ISP ordering them to shutter the whole site?

-O

 

[Oldtimer]

No, of course he didn't scan books and sell them. The point was, if you're infringing and profiting from it, any company will have to take action. It's silly to assume that Paizo wouldn't, too.

So your comparison was essentially pointless.
I think we have different views on what infringing and profiting means. Suddenly everyone is making Ema out to be some large-scale pirate.

And where are you getting the information about sending a letter to his ISP ordering them to shutter the whole site?

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Not a lot of communication has been had so far, but is sure looks like a close-down operation to me.

 

[darjr]

The ISP 'DELETED' everything? Instead of just taking it offline?

That is one of the dumbest freaking things I have ever heard of an ISP doing, and depending on their local laws probably quite literally illegal. No matter the C&D.

Doubly especially if it becomes a lawsuit.

What the freaking stars did they think they were doing?

 

[Oldtimer]

The ISP 'DELETED' everything? Instead of just taking it offline?

That is one of the dumbest freaking things I have ever heard of and ISP doing, and depending on their local laws probably quite literally illegal. No matter the C&D.

Doubly especially if it becomes a lawsuit.

What the freaking stars did they think they were doing?

I agree with you, but according to that post, that was requested by WotC. And with the situation being what it is in Europe these days, most ISPs comply instantly when companies accuse some customer of copyright infringement. If they don't, they could well be closed down themselves.

 

[Glyfair]

I agree with you, but according to that post, that was requested by WotC. And with the situation being what it is in Europe these days, most ISPs comply instantly when companies accuse some customer of copyright infringement. If they don't, they could well be closed down themselves.

Also, let's be fair here. From what I understand, Ema pretty clearly had copyright infringement on the site. You might disagree about the remedies, but you probably have to give into that (if there indeed was complete verbatim text of non-open feats, spells, etdc. on the site).

 

[darjr]

I agree with you, but according to that post, that was requested by WotC. And with the situation being what it is in Europe these days, most ISPs comply instantly when companies accuse some customer of copyright infringement. If they don't, they could well be closed down themselves.

I started an ISP, and we would NEVER delete data. Take it off line, maybe, delete, never. It's asking for legal trouble, maybe even worse, than disobeying a C&D.

I don't know what it's like now. I especially don't know what it's like where the ISP is. But I think blindly following a C&D is just dumb, especially if it calls for the elimination of potential evidence.

Edit to add that we got C&D's too. Lots of them.

 

[Glyfair]

Double post.

 

[Oldtimer]

I started an ISP, and we would NEVER delete data. Take it off line, maybe, delete, never. It's asking for legal trouble, maybe even worse, than disobeying a C&D.

I don't know what it's like now. I especially don't know what it's like where the ISP is. But I think blindly following a C&D is just dumb, especially if it calls for the elimination of potential evidence.

Edit to add that we got C&D's too. Lots of them.

I take it you don't live in Europe and try to run an ISP here. It's not nice these days.

So you destroyed some customer data, that's hardly going to hurt you. Disobeying a C&D and being raided by the police will hurt you more.

 

[darjr]

I take it you don't live in Europe and try to run an ISP here. It's not nice these days.

So you destroyed some customer data, that's hardly going to hurt you. Disobeying a C&D and being raided by the police will hurt you more.

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Hey, like talking to you on two phones, with different delays.

I think I'll stay over here.