strength affect on range

[El Mahdi]

Well, actually...

Is there any rule that affords greater distance for a thrown/hurled weapon and bows based on strength modifier? ...

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...The same could apply to projectile weapons. Crossbows which do not rely on the attacker's strength would get no effect. ...

He was also asking about bows (strength bows). However, you're right in that he wasn't talking about all bows.


Anyways...


I was a little confused by your post, so tell me if I've got your idea right.

For thrown weapons, you increase each range increment by 1', so for example: a dagger with a range increment of 10', thrown by someone with Str. 11, would have a range increment of 11' (if thrown by someone with Str. 12, a range increment of 12', etc.)?

If that's correct, I like that idea also (better) for thrown weapons (maybe even for bows also). I'm afraid of the extra range penalties for the extra range increments with the other concept. Let's try some examples: (I'll also try it with 2', 3', and 5' per point of strength above 10)



Throwing Axe (or Random Axe)

RAW = range increment 10', max range 50' (-10 to attack at max range)

Hereticus Extra range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 10', max range 90' (5 range increments plus 4 extra range increments for strength modifier). (-18 to attack at max range - Yikes!)

random axe Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 18', max range 90'. (-10 to attack at max range)

2' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 26', max range 130'. (-10 to attack at max range)

3' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 34', max range 170'. (-10 to attack at max range)

5' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 50', max range 250'. (-10 to attack at max range) - I think this is too much here.



Javelin

RAW = range increment 30', max range 150' (-10 to attack at max range)

Hereticus Extra range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 30', max range 270' (-18 to attack at max range) *current olympic record is 297', world record is 323'.

random axe Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 38', max range 190'. (-10 to attack at max range)

2' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 46', max range 230'. (-10 to attack at max range)

3' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 54', max range 270'. (-10 to attack at max range)

5' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 70', max range 350'. (-10 to attack at max range)



Longbow

RAW = range increment 100', max range 1000' (-20 to attack at max range)

Hereticus Extra range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 100', max range 1400' (10 range increments + 4 extra range increments). (-28 to attack at max range - why even bother?)

random axe Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 108', max range 1080'. (-20 to attack at max range)

5' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 140', max range 1400'. (-20 to attack at max range)



If I understood your idea correctly, I think I like your concept better. But, I think I would use 3' for thrown weapons and 5' for bows. Or, what if you went with your standard 1' per point of strength above 10 (3' for bows), but increase it an extra 1' each for the Weapon Focus and Greater Weapon Focus feats?

What do you think?

 

[Random Axe]

Well, actually...



He was also asking about bows (strength bows). However, you're right in that he wasn't talking about all bows.

OOOPS. Sorry, El Mahdi, didn't see that bit. My bad.

Your interpretation of my (badly-elucidated) post was correct. +1 foot per range increment, per point of strength over 10.

Your resulting calculations were correct for range, but not for the attack bonus (penalties). Ranged attack penalty is -2 per range increment after the first. So the base attack at max range is -8, not -10 (RAW).


Throwing Axe

RAW = range increment 10', max range 50' (-8 to attack at max range)

Hereticus Extra range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 10', max range 90' (5 range increments plus 4 extra range increments for strength modifier). (-16 to attack at max range - Yikes!)

random axe Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 18', max range 90'. (-8 to attack at max range)

2' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 26', max range 130'. (-8 to attack at max range)

3' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 34', max range 170'. (-8 to attack at max range)

5' Increased range increment (18 Str.) = range increment 50', max range 250'. (-8 to attack at max range) ...
and so on.

Thanks.

 

[El Mahdi]

... Your resulting calculations were correct for range, but not for the attack bonus (penalties). Ranged attack penalty is -2 per range increment after the first. So the base attack at max range is -8, not -10 (RAW). ...

Dohhh! (I should have caught that. Oops. It's been a rough week.)