Pathfinder 1E Pathfinder Sneak Peeks (Old thread)

[Twowolves]

Pathfinder is doing this as a bandaid over the bullet wound of Overloaded full-caster-level PRCs in previous D20 splat. Since part of the design goal is compatibility with previously released material, incentives to prevent jumping ship are a easily added to the base class. It's not optimum, but given that there are PRCs designed for those who are willing to chop off their own for more power, addressing the issue was needed.

You mean like this:

Head of Vecna@Everything2.com

 

[frankthedm]

You mean like this:

Head of Vecna@Everything2.com

Actually, I was referring to the officially published Eunuch Warlock PRC. Oriental Adventures page 38

 

[Twowolves]

Yikes!! I've seen fertility require a feat before (Darwin's World), but this swings the pendulum too far the other way!!

 

[Corinth]

The reason for why NPCs should be fully-optimized is to demonstrate in no uncertain terms to the reader what the upper limit of capability is for a given entity. This makes it easier for a GM to judge what to and not to employ as NPCs, as well as for players to judge how weak or strong they are relative to a known and fixed (yet attainable) standard. Putting it at the best-possible-position adds value by showing what the best is, thus making it clear for everyone to know what to shoot for in terms of progression; it also makes GM design easier by making all house-ruling go in one direction: down.

 

[Hunter In Darkness]

The reason for why NPCs should be fully-optimized is to demonstrate in no uncertain terms to the reader what the upper limit of capability is for a given entity. This makes it easier for a GM to judge what to and not to employ as NPCs, as well as for players to judge how weak or strong they are relative to a known and fixed (yet attainable) standard. Putting it at the best-possible-position adds value by showing what the best is, thus making it clear for everyone to know what to shoot for in terms of progression; it also makes GM design easier by making all house-ruling go in one direction: down.

I am gonna say I would hate this. To me it would come off as over the top and power gamy. I dont want to see he-man, I want to see an avage guy, not something cooked up on the char-op boards.

 

[AllisterH]

Actually, didn't the Psionics expansion book for 3.5 EXPLICITLY mention to nerf your PCs by assuming they didnt have full PP at the beginning of an encounter?

 

[ProfessorCirno]

Actually, didn't the Psionics expansion book for 3.5 EXPLICITLY mention to nerf your PCs by assuming they didnt have full PP at the beginning of an encounter?

I've found that you may be hard pressed to find someone who does like psionics and also liked Complete Psionics.

 

[Jefe Bergenstein]

Should dragons be able to move and use all their attacks? How about trolls and giants?

Move + Full Attack sounds just peachy until the monsters are doing it to you.

I didnt say monsters, now did I? Fighter/Ranger/Barbarian etc ability, gained at BAB 6... make 2 attacks as a standard action. At +11, 3, etc. Whirlwind attack sure as hell should be a standard action as well.

Or make all non healing/defensive spells over 3rd level take multiple full round actions to cast and fatigue, then exhaust casters. Casters should sort of suck in combat anyways, since they can completely dominate non-combat through utility magic

Either way you slice it, full attacks suck in their current implementation for keeping melee equal to casters/ranged characters. Pathfinder could have easily fixed this through feats/class abilities, but didnt.

 

[AllisterH]

I've found that you may be hard pressed to find someone who does like psionics and also liked Complete Psionics.

Well, I kinda understand the reason why...A x-level psionicist that has all their PP and doesn't have to worry about the rest of the day can do some crazy level things because of that...

 

[ProfessorCirno]

Well, I kinda understand the reason why...A x-level psionicist that has all their PP and doesn't have to worry about the rest of the day can do some crazy level things because of that...

We are totally not going to get into a debate on how psions are/are not "overpowered."

Most people dislike the book because it doesn't really add anything worthwhile. Almost everything in it is lame save for one or two of PrCs. It's just overall poorly written, poorly edited, and poorly thought out, to quote someone else. And naturally it was the only psionics anything that Wizards printed other then their mandatory "It's totally not 3.0 anymore!" book, just to rub in a little salt.

Edit: Oh yeah, and it nerfed some already balanced powers because NOOOOO NOTHING MAY COME CLOSE TO MY PRECIOUS WIZARD!

Also the lurk is the dumbest freaking thing that has ever existed. Divine Mind comes close. OH HEY LOOK WHAT BOOK THEY WERE BOTH IN. And again, the fact that this is the only damn thing Wizards printed for psionics is what causes a lot of the >:|. They haven't even commented once on the tons and tons of questions about the probably-not-even-edited-at-all POS.

...Can you tell I like psionics?