Templates that change player size

[Theroc]

From what Starbuck said in the thread I'm forking from, it would appear that any template that increased size also increased strength, constitution and natural armor class, in addition to the bonuses mentioned in the template. Is this correct?

As Starbuck indicated, I'd definitely understand how these templates are seen as broken in that case.

Starbuck: I'm not saying your wrong, I just would like to clarify with the community at large, and not derail the other guys thread.

 

[Starbuck_II]

From what Starbuck said in the thread I'm forking from, it would appear that any template that increased size also increased strength, constitution and natural armor class, in addition to the bonuses mentioned in the template. Is this correct?

As Starbuck indicated, I'd definitely understand how these templates are seen as broken in that case.

Starbuck: I'm not saying your wrong, I just would like to clarify with the community at large, and not derail the other guys thread.

1/2 Ogre and 1/2 Minataur are the only ones I remember.
But I'm interested in find others as well.

BTW, don't confuse 1/2 Ogre Race with 1/2 Ogre template (yes, there are two 1/2 Ogres)

 

[AuraSeer]

From what Starbuck said in the thread I'm forking from, it would appear that any template that increased size also increased strength, constitution and natural armor class, in addition to the bonuses mentioned in the template. Is this correct?

Nope. A template only increases what it says it increases.

The "size increase" table in the MM is only for advancing monsters by HD. The same bonuses do not apply to templates, spells, special abilities, or anything else that increases size.

 

[Starbuck_II]

Nope. A template only increases what it says it increases.

The "size increase" table in the MM is only for advancing monsters by HD. The same bonuses do not apply to templates, spells, special abilities, or anything else that increases size.

Read the templates 1/2 Ogre and 1/2 Minatuar the template does say it increases by MM way.
Look just use Crystal Keep: Crystal Keep - D&D and d20 System

1/2 Minotuar page 11. "With all the appropriate bonuses from size change" exact text.
1/2 Ogre same deal.
They both say they are in addition to bonuses of the template.

 

[Theroc]

Wow. Those are stupid good then. >.> Geez... I was making a Half-Minotaur Totemist, just seeing the size as the increase to natural weapons and the listed bonus. If he gets +8 strength and stuff on top of that, this is really nasty. Wow.

That makes me wonder though... when a Lycanthrope(Say, Bear or Tiger) shift into their hybrid forms, do THEY get this bonus? Or is that inclusive with the shape change?

 

[Starbuck_II]

Wow. Those are stupid good then. >.> Geez... I was making a Half-Minotaur Totemist, just seeing the size as the increase to natural weapons and the listed bonus. If he gets +8 strength and stuff on top of that, this is really nasty. Wow.

That makes me wonder though... when a Lycanthrope(Say, Bear or Tiger) shift into their hybrid forms, do THEY get this bonus? Or is that inclusive with the shape change?

Sadly inclusive.
Templates that grant size benefits are few (Still can't think of one besides the two mentioned). Too much calculation if had to do it each time changed size.


Oh I just remembered Titanic template increases animals/vermin by size.

 

[Theroc]

Yeah, I know they are few, and it's probably due to the incredible bonuses involved. Good grief.

 

[Shin Okada]

Which book contains those 2 templates?
They seem to be totally broken. Both for PC and for monsters. Are they from WotC supplements?

 

[Starbuck_II]

Which book contains those 2 templates?
They seem to be totally broken. Both for PC and for monsters. Are they from WotC supplements?

I already showed link. Yes, Dragon Magazine according to Crystal Keep.

 

[Shin Okada]

I already showed link. Yes, Dragon Magazine according to Crystal Keep.

Ah sorry. I missed that notion in the table.

Hm. If they are from Dragon Magazine, I can safely keep our campaign away from them as our play group's basic stance is "no Dragon Magazine".